COVID deniers

[TheClaws]

My country is now at the beginning of a second wave partially because of people like this. They went out when ill, they had large gatherings - still against guidelines - and the disease, under control, has made a comeback. Restrictions have had to be brought back in. Borders are shutting back down and travel cannot happen - all because of a group of selfish, ignorant people who think they know better.

I’m sick of reading posts on MN from the same kind of deniers who would do exactly the same thing - and possibly extend the pain in their own countries.

I agree there are a number of Covid deniers out there, but also a lot of people who know it’s out there but think rules don't apply to them, and that includes shedloads on MN just look at all the posts, all the people meeting up when they shouldn’t have been, and encouraged by others who said they would do the same, use common sense etc

Lockdown is lockdown, the rules are there for a purpose, it’s not common sense to ignore them when you think it’s ok, it’s wrong and those people are endangering the R rate going up and us going back into lockdown

Yes I know we have downgraded a level, but I remain concerned that it will increase and soon

Both Pertella. Some restrictions were due to lifted on the weekend; they now won’t be lifted until late July. Others have been re-imposed.

We've downgraded a level purely because they have to, to lift the next lot of restrictions. Doesn't mean it's safe. Much of it is for the economy.

What State do they live in, VanillaandHoney?

Australia

"Workplaces POSE a high risk of triggering a resurgence of Covid-19 cases in Australia, which means people should continue to work from home as long as they can, a report from public policy thinktank the Grattan Institute says.
The report uses new MODELLING to SUGGEST that reopening shops and workplaces heightens the risk of new infections"

I have read the report and it is full of MIGHTS/COULD HAVE/MAY DO etc....
The spike in cases in Victoria isn't a second wave it is a spike. We had a spike in cases in Weston Super Mare - it was contained and didn't lead to a second wave.

It is a shame that people use MIGHT MAY COULD HAVE etc and assume that it means is happening now!

Are you in Victoria @TheClaws?

I am and was just looking at my local FB page and there were a few deniers on there 🤯

We're in a hot spot too 🙄

Since dc have gone back to school everyone seems to think it's all over.

@TheClaws

What State do they live in, VanillaandHoney?

Victoria.

I’m in NSW but my son lives in college in Melbourne CBD.

I’m with you. I’m still in lockdown mode apart from travelling a bit further to exercise but still very much social distancing. We aren’t seeing friends or family. I understand that’s okay with social distancing outside BUT I don’t trust half my family and friends to social distance. They seem to think it’s all over which it’s far from.

We’re hardly in a second wave, OP so try not to stress. I thought you were going to say you were in Beijing or the the UK or Europe. Yes there were some idiots who went out and infected others recently, but In the whole of Australia there were 18 new cases today. EIGHTEEN! Yes that’s more than usual but it’s a tiny spike not a second wave. Most people I know are still being cautious, we’ve all seen what’s happened and is still happening in the UK, USA etc.

I agree with the comments about the press influence.

There have been anti lockdown riots in France and Holland and anti lockdown demonstrations in Spain over the past week.

All we need is the press inflaming things even more and I suspect there will be some over here too.

Cows Perhaps you don’t quite understand exponential growth.

I drove down the main street in a local town today and there appeared to be no social distancing at all. I was very glad I was in my car and not on the pavement.

Whilst I also agree we are not at the beginning of second wave (rather a spike) Victoria needs to get a handle on it, rest if Australia (aside fron NSW...) will keep the borders to them shut until they do so. Interesting that the most severely locked down state is having the most trouble with community transmission (it's absurd that we are still tallying quarantineing international arrivals in the same daily counts).

Im still incredibly grateful to be in Aus! Yep Victoria is incredibly frustrating And it must be incredibly frustrating to rural vics who are suffering due to their metro statemates, but bloody hell looking at numbers abroad is heartbreaking.

Hope your son makes it back to NSW soon OP.

OP stop making it sound like the whole of Australia (except you) is busily off ignoring restrictions and happily coviding the whole country. You are talking about a small family group, who had covid and instead of isolating went to family gatherings and spread it around. Yes that’s why parts of Victoria are restricted again but there’s been no change elsewhere and you know it. This sounds more that you’re missing your son and want him to return home on his uni break but it’s massively stretching the truth of the situation in Australia to post as you have,

Going out when ill, definitely stupid. Huge gatherings also. Or spending time in close proximity with those shielding or elderly or pregnant.

But young healthy people who are not ill should be going about their lives as
Normally as possible in my opinion

Problem is, most cases are so mild that you probably think you've got a cold rather than corona.

Having had corona, my partner came down with symptoms first but only after 5 days of a headache....

We didn't even thought it could be coronavirus until the dreaded no taste or smell happened, we did a test and we both come back positive. We've recovered in about 10 days but we weren't bedridden etc.

Many people probably thought it's not corona because it's not how maybe the media might have portrayed it etc

When I say ill I mean if you have corona symptoms... if I had a headache or the cough or the smell/ taste thing I'd stay in. Maybe at the start we didn't know but we do now

I don't think the problem is the press. Where I live it's been almost overwhelmingly pro-rules.

I think its mainly psychological, and the problem is something that was known about up-front. People will only live this way for so long. There has always been a limit on how long people would avoid all social gatherings, for example.

When you live in a country like Australia, where there were only a few cases active in the whole nation, and the fact is that most people will not be negatively impacted even if they do catch it, people will not assess the risk or normal social activities as high. Because realistically they were a lot lower than any number of other things people do.

It was probably inevitable there would be a second wave.

Hysteria.

I don’t think the phrase is correct. The vast majority of people aren’t Covid deniers but the tiny amount of actual Covid deniers are pretty bonkers!

There are 20,000 new cases per week here in the UK. Peter Drobac is a Global Health Physician at Oxford University says there is still a lot of 'silent transmission' and that we still need to be very careful. I will take his advice over Gary on FB denying a pandemic that, on some days in April, was killing over a 1,000 people a day.

Don't even get me started about the death certificate conspiracy here too. Do you have that in Australia OP?

We do, Complex. It beggars belief.

@CowsGoBaaaaa

My local hotspot is due to a family who didn't isolate when they were told to due family members from a party they had attended testing positive.

They sent their DC to school and nursery. Nursery and school both closed, 2 nursery teachers tested positive.

The problem is we've watched the shit storm of the UK and US and got cocky and thought that's not going to be us.

And with a little bit of stupidity, it really could be us.

Following the dreadful event in Reading over weekend, yesterday TV showed a school paying tribute to teacher who had sadly died. Pupils and teachers squashed up next to each other and shots of police and community representatives walking shoulder to shoulder on way to similar event. Concerning. As if the past three months had never been.