AIBU to ask you all to watch this documentary? Perspectives on the pandemic

[jimmyjab]

Erin Marie Olszewski is a Nurse-turned-investigative journalist, who has spent the last few months on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic, on the inside in two radically different settings. Two hospitals. One private, the other public. One in Florida, the other in New York.

And not just any New York public hospital, but the "epicenter of the epicenter" itself, the infamous Elmhurst in Donald Trump's Queens. As a result of these diametrically opposed experiences, she has the ultimate "perspective on the pandemic". She has been where there have been the most deaths attributed to Covid-19 and where there have been the least.

I have just watched this and I am disgusted. It's an hour long, please watch it so you know what is happening. What they are doing to these patients is murder and no one seems to care. It's not being reported on mainstream media, why??

We need people to start questioning the procedures for treating COVID patients.

Can any of the nurses and doctors on here shed any light on this? They're encouraging ventilators all over the world. Are similar things happening in UK hospitals too?

I honestly think the handling of this pandemic is the biggest scandal in human history and I am just baffled how things like this are not making it into the news. The Association of American Physicians & Surgeons are suing the FDA for irrational interference by the FDA with timely access to hydroxychloroquine… principia-scientific.org/doctors-file-lawsuit-against-fda-for-misrepresenting-covid-cure/

Doctors are shouting out that this drug is very effective and yet they can't get hold of it! How many lives have been lost because of these backwards procedures that don't make any sense?

I live in the UK. We know the system of healthcare in the States is corrupt and unequal in every way. This is why we need to fight for the NHS with every bone in our bodies. I'm not shocked because it's been that way for years in USA. I'm just glad I don't live there.

She’s an anti vaxxer, blogger and all round attention seeker

Following for more opinions before watching

I live in the UK too. And glad I'm here and have the NHS. I was very concerned about what she was saying about the ventilators and the lack of hydroxychloroquine when it seems to be very effective. I think the NHS's approach is similar but I don't know that for sure. I just know that every Country has been pushing for ventilators.

@Loubylou79 I didn't know that about her. However, in the documentary she has footage from inside the hospital, talking to doctors and other nurses. She shows records of them putting non covid onto covid wards. I believe she has proof of what is going on.

Didn't they withdraw that drug because there was no proof it worked?
This sounds a little conspiracy theory to me, and if it's by an anti vaxxer my bells ring louder.

Not only was there no proof that hydroxychloroquine worked against Covid, but they found Covid patients who took it were more likely to die and experiencing more heart-related complications.

@Mumoblue all I can do is urge you to watch the documentary. There's no conspiracy in the doc, it's all experience from the wards and proof. The way the doctors are talking about these patients, the way the nurses are trying the step in to protect them. Regardless of the anti-vaxxing stuff, she is a covid nurse in the epicentre.

Re hydroxychloroquine, the study they used to pull that drug was proven to be done on false data. They had to redact the study in the end and clinical trials for HCQ could then continue. www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/exclusive-lancet-study-hydroxychloroquine-complete-fraud-authors-linked-pharmaceutical-industry-people-died-lies/

You know some conspiracies turn out to true.

@corythatwas see reply to Mumoblue, they had to redact it because their data was incorrect.

Do you know what would be really good? A proper large scale randomised single blind trial to compare all these different suggested treatments. Maybe one not run by pharma so there can be no complaints about bias.

Find a reputable site like pubmed or google scholar I suppose is ok.

Type in said drug.

Read actual data.

Job done.

Oh wait! There has been one.

HCQ was pulled as being shite. That may not have been their exact summary.

Is she fighting for use of dexamethasone, or just drugs promoted by Trump?

How2help has pretty much covered this one. Next please

Not only was there no proof that hydroxychloroquine worked against Covid, but they found Covid patients who took it were more likely to die and experiencing more heart-related complications.

It's not that clear cut, the main study which firmed up the evidence it doesn't work has withdrawn it's findings (because that's how Science works- we don't hide from errors).

There is still no evidence it works (and there would be by now if it was significantly effective) and some evidence it's harmful. I think there are some trials still going on, but not much.

The reason there is a shortage of this stuff is because idiots keep buying it in case they get coronavirus.

Erin Marie Olszewski is a Nurse-turned-investigative journalist

Well then, doubtless she knows much more than all the doctors and researchers who have tested this drug. I wonder who is behind the worldwide conspiracy to pretend it doesn't work? I recon it's those pesky lizard people again.

The Association of American Physicians & Surgeons

A completely batshit, far-right organisation which claims homsexuality reduces life expectancy, abortion causes breast cancer and vaccines cause autism.

So she has filmed undercover, edited her documentary to suit her agenda without permission and without those she has filmed been able to give their own account

This is a virus that has not been treated before health professionals all over the world on the real front line have worked tirelessly to save people’s lives and the understanding of how the virus attacks the body is still not fully understood

What is there to understand that mistakes have been made i don’t think many would claim otherwise

Ah how every new conspiracy theorist is born ‘it’s all experience and proof’. I will not listen to an anti Vaxxers opinion on drugs.

Also ya might want to try those peer reviewed articles mentioned above.

And please don’t spread this shit further for Christ’s sake.

The study that you are saying was retracted - it says in your link it was a registry analysis.

The study that shows dexamethasone is useful in certain circumstances and that this could not be demonstrated for hydroxycholoroquine is a totally different study. It is a properly designed interventional randomised study.

Thank you for your replies. I didn't know that about the AAPS. I don't really see how their conservative viewpoints effect what they're saying about HCQ. I'm not trying to push anything to do with Trump. I watched that documentary and then did a bit of research into HCQ and there have been a few to say it's proving to be very effective. But anyone who says anything even remotely so gets shut down as being a conspiracy theorist. I'm not a doctor so I'm not going to pretend I know how to treat covid patients but Erin is not the only healthcare professional to come forward and say these kind of things. The info is out there to see. What do they have to gain? They have a lot to lose.

Even taking HCQ out of the equation what about what she has to say about ventilators? Again she's not the only healthcare professional to say ventilators aren't appropriate.

Having said that, I just wanted to share the video. I think we'll look back and realise that the covid response was about money, it wasn't about saving lives. I'm not going to spend the next however long trying to convince you all. I don't have anything to gain by posting it I just wanted to start a discussion about what if the scientists and big pharma companies don't have our best interests at heart. I don't think they do.

Have a pleasant night everyone!

You have no idea what you are talking about @jimmyjab. I am a doctor, an anaesthetist and intensive care doctor who spent 10 weeks working in intensive care at the peak of it. Stop spreading lies and conspiracy theories. This makes me so angry for all those patients who we have sadly lost to this bloody awful virus and for their families. Leave the medicine to the experts.

We have worked tirelessly to save lives. My colleagues have world wide. How dare you even suggest it was about money. We are devastated by this and having seen far too many people die despite doing our absolute best for them. How dare you

I don't really see how their conservative viewpoints effect what they're saying about HCQ.

It's not a conservative viewpoint, it's a history of making insane claims with no Scientific basis. They have a handfull of members who are actually doctors, none of whom have the expertise to make such wild claims credible.

Again she's not the only healthcare professional to say ventilators aren't appropriate.

Ventilators are much less effective than hoped. They are also an incredibly traumatic intervention- it has to be a serious case to try ventilation and many of those sadly die.

My impression is that current treatment regimes focus on getting oxygen early and trying to avoid ventilation. Nonetheless in more serious cases where the lungs just can't get the oxygen deep enough they save lives.

Your opening post said
Can any of the nurses and doctors on here shed any light on this?

Then at 22:41 you say:
I just wanted to start a discussion about what if the scientists and big pharma companies don't have our best interests at heart. I don't think they do.

At least be honest in admitting that you have no intention of listening to anything the nurses and doctors have to say.

People might be prepared to engage, discuss and explain the weaknesses in what you are saying if there was any evidence you had an open mind. Nobody is going to do that when you have just said they are lining their own pockets in total disregard for their patients.