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AIBU // Bike Helmets...

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TryingToDad · 20/06/2020 09:16

All my four children, and I, wear helmets when we're out on our bikes. My husband frequently removes his, or doesn't wear one altogether, usually claiming it makes his head too hot. I think he's a bloody idiot and I'd rather not have to explain to my kids why Daddy died because his head was too hot!!! AIBU or should I chill out a bit...? His suggestion... Angry

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user1471447863 · 21/06/2020 12:41

@WelcomeToTheMounaintop The studies don't back up your claims:

A 2019 study into the impact of cycle helmet use on severe traumatic brain injury and death in a national cohort of over 11,000 pedal cyclists, using data from the NHS England Trauma Audit and Research Network dataset, found that cycle helmet use was associated with a significant reduction in severe traumatic brain injury (TBI). 47.6% of patients who were not wearing a helmet sustained a severe TBI, compared to 19.1% of patients who were wearing a helmet (Dodds N, Johnson R, Walton B, et al, 2019)."

"A study from 2016 collected data from over 64,000 cyclists around the world, and found compelling evidence that wearing a cycle helmet reduces risk of serious head injury by almost 70% and fatal head injury by 65%. It is the largest review on cycling and helmets to date. The study also found that the risk of sustaining a general head injury is reduced by 51% and facial injury by 33%, when a helmet is used."

www.headway.org.uk/news-and-campaigns/campaigns/cycle-safety/

I'll take that 70% reduction in risk of serious head injury over being 'a bit hot' any day thank you.

KeepingPlain · 21/06/2020 12:52

Get him to look up the Ryan smith foundation on FB. Hes the 16 year old who was hit by a van when out cycling, and didn't have a helmet on. 7 years later he is still in recovery. They tell people to always wear a helmet, it's just so much safer, especially with how people drive on the roads now. I swear some of the drivers are blind.

Macncheeseballs · 21/06/2020 12:55

Maybe we should be looking at the source of the problem, drivers, rather than blaming the victims

40somethingJBJ · 21/06/2020 12:59

I tripped and fell over, banging my head, and ended up with a subarachnoid haemorrhage and long lasting effects from my brain injury. If I can do that much damage falling off my feet, I can only imagine what could happen falling from a moving bike. Helmets are non-negotiable here.

PhoneLock · 21/06/2020 12:59

My husband only wears a bike helmet if he is obliged to by law. He also has a car with no seat belts.

There have been calls to relax bike helmet laws in some places that have them. Apparently, compulsory helmets mean fewer people choose the cycling option.

www.timeout.com/melbourne/news/melbournes-illegal-helmet-optional-bike-ride-is-back-for-2020

www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/your-say-what-readers-think-of-plans-to-relax-bike-helmet-laws-20181105-p50e0f.html

NotMeNoNo · 21/06/2020 13:21

Ok, so why don’t cyclists in the Netherlands wear helmets? You would think they would have very high injury rates as so many people cycle everywhere.

cologne4711 · 21/06/2020 13:27

Maybe we should be looking at the source of the problem, drivers, rather than blaming the victims

Quite. Other than those who decide to cycle up the inside of left-turning HGVs (I've seen it happen plenty of times when walking around London), cyclists are generally killed by drivers not paying attention.

So sort out drivers. It's true - in any other area you woudln't get away with this victim blaming, but because drivers don't like being held up by people on bikes, they moan about them not wearing helmets.

My original point stands - if you get squashed by a car (or HGV) a helmet is not going to help you.

And I don't believe Dutch people have harder skulls than we do.

SimonJT · 21/06/2020 13:28

@NotMeNoNo

Ok, so why don’t cyclists in the Netherlands wear helmets? You would think they would have very high injury rates as so many people cycle everywhere.
Other road users aren’t as stupid.
Coffeeandbeans · 21/06/2020 13:30

My teenage son went out mountain biking yesterday wearing my helmet as he prefers it to his. He was doing a jump and came off the bike smashing the helmet. Thankfully my son just had grazes and a bruised pride but still has his head and brains. It really is a no brainer you wear a helmet everytime on a bike and you set an example to your kids.

Coffeeandbeans · 21/06/2020 13:34

Dutch people have proper cycle lanes. There is also respect from car drivers towards cyclists there which we don’t have in the UK. We can blame drivers as much as we want but ultimately it is your life on a bike and if it gives me some extra security on the road then I will wear a helmet. I’ve fallen off many times without even the excuse of being hit by a car.

No one stands a chance with an HGV so it doesn’t make sense to use that argument for not wearing a helmet on a bike.

Keepithidden · 21/06/2020 13:35

Unfortunately Headway and similar tend to cherry pick the stats to suit their own views. Check out the Cycling UK for the other side of the argument:

forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=39927

It's always a good idea to double check sources of information as far as these things are concerned. As has been said previously cycling is not inherently unsafe, protective equipment should always be an informed choice.

Ilovechocolatetoomuch · 21/06/2020 13:36

Had this conversation with my oh the other day. Fair enough adult make their own choices but when I see young children without one it makes me cross.

WelcomeToTheMountaintop · 21/06/2020 13:37

@user1471447863

You are correct, helmets do protect against direct Trauma. Plenty of stud ies to show that. Totally agree with you. There is some debate though that most seriouscycle injuries are crush injuries, and a helmet would probably not make a massive difference to survivablilty of these collisions.

And also wearing a helmet changed rider behaviour, and makes (some) people take risks they wouldn’t take. It also influences car driver behaviour, and leaders drivers to assume a more competent cyclist, and therefore pass more closely etc.

There is a much bigger picture though.

If you make helmets either legally or socially compulsory, the rate of cycling drops substantially, meaning overall in a population, MORE people die or have life changing medical issues, because less people cycle.

These people have heart attacks or strokes due to poor fitness, as well as cycling having the potential to reduce traffic, meaning less asthma and respiratory There are also huge mental health benefits to cycling. This has been shown in places like Aus and NZ where helmets were made mandatory, overall the health of the population is worse.

It seems that there is a certain small number who CBA if helmets are necessary, but also (and very importantly)it skews perception of how dangerous cycling actually is as an activity and puts People off, something that in relative terms is quite safe, and immensely beneficial to health. It is a population level thing, not an individual thing. A quirk I’d human psychology.

That’s why you cant make direct health comparisons to seatbelts or motorbike Cycling is transport AND has huge health benefits.

Which is why I wear a helmet, and I make my kids wear one. But id never judged anyone else for not doing (except mountain biking ) because I’m just happy to see people cycling.

It is a fascinating and very complex subject, and there is a lot of debate.

That’s the point, I suppose. It isn’t as simple as it first appears, and the government/professionals want the best outcome for the most people. And that means leaving it as an individual decision, because the best thing we can to for our health and the planet is to cycle. With or without a helmet.

PhoneLock · 21/06/2020 13:38

"Ok, so why don’t cyclists in the Netherlands wear helmets? "

Or Germany? Only children are tolerated cycling on pavements there too.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 21/06/2020 13:41

He is being an idiot. Tell him to wear a wicking snood under the helmet.

WelcomeToTheMountaintop · 21/06/2020 13:41

Sorry that was a bloody Essay

megletthesecond · 21/06/2020 13:56

Do the Dutch also have much tighter laws on drug driving and driving while on a mobile phone? It's common place around here, hence I don't cycle on roads.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 21/06/2020 14:07

Perhaps obvious but yes cycling helmet is best way forward with all cyclists hot or not. If hot (and not already) why not combine and wear appropriate cycling attire preferably thin super light weight with sports tech to aerate and highly visible/colourful for added safety for other road users. Any protection is better than nothing and as others highlighted above it will not be armour/bulletproof but that is what I instill and insist as a parent to a child even if just scootering in public areas let alone cycling on park paths etc.

On Father’s Day let all dads know we care and so put on appropriate protection and keep common sense common! Much love to all dads today and every day!

Keepithidden · 21/06/2020 14:41

Any protection is better than nothing

Not if it is ineffective and causes a false sense of security. It's like using a body warmer as a stab vest!

Macncheeseballs · 21/06/2020 15:18

And not if it reduces over all rates of cycling. Sedentary lifestyles kill far more people than cycling accidents.

MrsAvocet · 21/06/2020 15:34

Its not black and white, and there are arguments on both sides that don't stand up to a lot of scrutiny. Personally I need never ride without a helmet and gloves and would feel uncomfortable without either, but I know some very good and experienced cyclists who use neither. It is, in this country a matter of personal choice at present.
However, a key point here is does your DH want the children to wear helmets? If he recognises that it is important for them to wear them then he must also surely recognise that he needs to set the example? If he isn't bothered about the children wearing helmets it makes things a bit more difficult of course, but if he thinks they should, then so should he. The "well I'm an adult and a more experienced rider" doesn't really hold water, as young children are unlikely to understand that and will be more influenced by what they see trusted adults doing.
Maybe he just needs a better helmet? Whilst they all have to meet minimum safety standards the comfort and ventilation varies hugely.

user1471447863 · 21/06/2020 16:32

@Macncheeseballs

And not if it reduces over all rates of cycling. Sedentary lifestyles kill far more people than cycling accidents.
The kind of person who would be put off cycling by having to wear a helmet wasn't likely to be doing much of it anyway, certainly not someone who is using it as part of a fitness/exercise regime or as a means of commuting etc. They are most likely the once a year because the kids moaned me into it type and still have hangups from when it wasn't seen as cool to wear one and despite the receding hairline and expanding waistline they still see themselves as 'cool'.

If you have proper stats that refute this i'd love to see them.

BreathlessCommotion · 21/06/2020 16:47

Apart from the many bits of anecdata on this thread if someone could show me the research and evidence that cycle helmets save lives?

Did you know that research has shown that cars actually give more space and drive better around cyclists not wearing helmets? And women.

I do wear a helmet to cycle, but it does make my head hit, sometimes unbearably. I am a road cyclist, and if I am killed or seriously injured it will be because a car was in too much of a hurry, or thought they could leave a 30cm gap when overtaking me. If I am going down a country lane at 25mph and come off my bike or am hit by a car a bit of polystyrene on my head isn't going to make much difference.

If I was so injured that I was paralysed and couldn't talk or eat, then I'd rather be dead. I'd be interested to hear what happened in the accidents that involved significant brain trauma- I assume a car/lorry/vehicle was most likely involved.

As someone has said almost no one wears helmets in the Netherlands, and they have a much lower cyclist fatality rate than us. How do you explain that if helmets save lives?

BreathlessCommotion · 21/06/2020 16:49

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1410838/

TeaAndHobnob · 21/06/2020 17:59

@WelcomeToTheMountaintop

Sorry that was a bloody Essay
Agree with every word you said in it though!
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