To tell teachers bashers to go and complain to their own fucking schools

[Frozenfan2019]

Aibu to be fed up to the back teeth of ignorant comments like "do your job like everyone else" and " it's your vocation" aimed at all and any teachers who happen to be on a thread. If you have a problem with the teaching provided by your own school contact them. People commenting have no idea of the workload that the people they are trolling online might be struggling with. It's bullying plain and simple and wouldn't be allowed to be aimed at other groups.

Do you honestly believe that every single teacher in the UK is lazy? If not why not contact YOUR school about the issues you have with YOUR child's teacher instead of starting yet another general teacher bashing thread.

As a teacher on here I have to say I have never been more demotivated. I work hard for my kids at school while also homeschooling my own three like so many of us. How dare you make me feel like I am failing because you have an issues, unfounded in some cases I am sure, with your school?

They are your children take some responsibility, contact the school if you have concerns and accept that most teachers are fired for the children they each but we don't make many of the decisions. They are made at a much higher level.

[quote havefunpeleton]@JimmyGrimble such a perfect example of can't do attitude. It's a real shame but needs to be out there to be discussed. This is exactly what unions are saying. With no thought of solutions for children. [/quote]
Well peleton I bow to your superior knowledge of my school, how we are providing for our pupils and our buildings and staffing. I see now that nothing short of all children back is ever going to satisfy you and I wish you the greatest of luck with that.

Jesmond clearly didn't get the memo, you're not supposed to be nice about teachers

Mistressiggi
Won't somebody think of the children!!!
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Yup all is normal, its still the world where a "can do" attitude doesn't need money to get things done.

[quote chopc]@louisthetrumpetswan

People with diabetes and most chronic diseases are able to go to work. The people who need to shield fall into very specific categories.

And pregnant ladies are at no more risk. You can read the info on gov.uk/coronavirus

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I have read the guidance specific to schools.

Clinically vulnerable individuals who are at higher risk of severe illness (for example, people with some pre-existing conditions as set out in the staying at home and away from others (social distancing) guidance) have been advised to take extra care in observing social distancing and should work from home where possible. This includes pregnant women. Education and childcare settings should endeavour to support this, for example by asking staff to support remote education, carry out lesson planning or other roles which can be done from home.

Expecting schools to go against the government's own guidance is unreasonable.

Situation normal mistressiggi - in a changing world it’s comforting that at least you can rely on mn

I felt a bit miffed at the beginning of lockdown when a friend who is a head teacher cheerfully mentioned how much money she would save by not going out (while my SE husband is getting barely anything and I am furloughed so slightly grating to hear) BUT I wouldnt (couldnt) be a teacher in a million years. The amount of guidelines and red tape (i have lots of friends who are teachers) must be overwhelming. I've been really impressed with my DS school and yet still some parents are whinging in the class whatsapp group about how they've arranged the bubbles and not communicated enough. We get one email per day with work and had about 4 emails since last week, about how the return to school will work (as well as a class zoom chat each week) I feel pretty well informed.

I think YABU.

There is some teacher bashing. There has also been some parents very frustrated about the poor provision made by their DC’s school who want advice or to vent. If you don’t like these sorts of posts, don’t read them- or read them without taking personal offence.

As with all things, there are good, bad abs mediocre teachers. Some work very hard, others do not. I think some teachers have been wonderful- DD’s school has been amazing. A few friend’s DC’s schools and nephews school Have been utterly abysmal and should be ashamed of themselves. Poor leadership no doubt root cause for the most part, but lack of professionalism by some of their teachers too.

The issue is the patchy and inconsistent provision in some schools. And a distinct lack of willingness to communicate in some cases. My friend callEd and emailed the school with a concern/issue re schoolwork and nobody replies or calls back. It’s not good enough. Those teachers are not working hard and deserve a hard time.

The teaching unions have not covered themselves with glory either- they come across as obstructive, sanctimonious and overly precious.

oh god another thread on this.

Look OP, we just need our children back at school. That's all. And there's no longer any rhyme or reason to it all. The downsides way outweigh any perceived benefit to keeping them off. That's all.

For clarity 20 parents complaining about 20 different schools is 4% of schools. Given that the number of parents in the LEA will be far more, the percentage of parents who have complained is minuscule.

'For the people saying I am being unreasonable can you explain why we teachers should take your abuse?'

People moaning and complaining is not abuse.

@HeyBlaby

'For the people saying I am being unreasonable can you explain why we teachers should take your abuse?'

People moaning and complaining is not abuse.

True. But on this thread we've had a poster talking about culling staff, though. Unreasonable negativity over a sustained period of time, attacking someone's self worth, sounds pretty abusive to me.

In school, we would be treating it as bullying.

"Experts agree that bullying entails three key elements: an intent to harm, a power imbalance, and repeated acts or threats of aggressive behavior. Kids who bully say or do something intentionally hurtful to others and they keep doing it, with no sense of regret or remorse—even when targets of bullying show or express their hurt or tell the aggressors to stop.

Bullying may be physical, verbal, relational, or carried out via technology."

Sound familiar?

Not all posters intend to cause harm, but there are certainly some who seem to want to - or at any rate, don't give a fig if they do. Aggressive behaviour- look at the words being used and accusations being flung around...there was a "blood on your hands" thread earlier on!

If you would like to look at the biggest killer in children aged 5-19?

It is suicide.

And you wonder why parents are worried???

The school closures have tipped millions of healthy children and families over the edge, and that is why there is such feeling surrounding the pointless damage being done to children every single day and for months longer because the schools are closed.

An entire generation day after day being put at unnecessary risk, losing an education, mental and physical wellbeing, in some cases vital food and emotional support and will starve. It is shocking. Absolutely shocking.

I shall personally never forgive them for it, I will never ever forget this awful period when the very places that were supposed to care for children, in fact abandoned them.

All credit to the teachers that are balancing live teaching and childcare, I do not include them in this, but for the rest.....

It is an outrageous infliction of damage to the most vulnerable in our society, because they have no voice, and one that will live on long after CoVid.

I think if you're that bothered about mumsnet threads that's probably not a good start.

Teachers are a heavily protected profession, the shit ones don't seem to get fired they just get moved and there are shit ones out there. I've worked in a school, and also remember from my school days at parents evening my physics teacher didn't even know my name and stumbled through an appointment.

On the flip side there are brilliant teachers out there that get loads out of the children, are enthusiastic, get good results, pleasant and everyone appreciates these teachers

TheFallenMadonna you're referencing the current guidelines, which changed the previous categories.

Expecting schools to be able to see into the future is unreasonable.

*If you would like to look at the biggest killer in children aged 5-19?

It is suicide. *

This is always a very emotive attention grabbing stat (and , in fact suicide rates have not risen recently and deaths of other non health related causes in young people has seen a very big decline : eg road accidents). And your reporting of the stat is disingenuous. Firstly, you have made it appear as if very young children commit suicide. this is vanishingly rare. It clusters around boys aged 16-19, and is most common in the term after leaving school. A distressing stat, caused by a range of factors which I have studied but won't sidetrack by going into here. MH provision in this country is woefully inadequate and always is, pandemic or no pandemic.

But , of course, the main reason why suicide is the (second actually) biggest killer in teenagers is because they are otherwise healthy. It is still a killer in older people but diabetes, heart failure etc. starts to overtake it as age and lifestyle related factors take over. It spikes again in men in their early 40s.

The argument about schools going back shouldn't be over whether children die : it is ,as Jenny Harries has so patiently tried to explain , about community transmissions. No other country has returned school (expect maybe Belgium) until they were confident community transmission was low enough to mitigate any spike (in France there was region by region approach, advocated by LAs here and pooh poohed by government) . They also didn't throw a load of relaxation at the easing all at the same time, so that no one can tell what has caused a spike!

@louisthetrumpetswan

TheFallenMadonna you're referencing the current guidelines, which changed the previous categories.

Expecting schools to be able to see into the future is unreasonable.

I'm responding to chopc who said that clinically vulnerable people can go to work. I'm pointing out that the guidance from the DfE, which has remained constant through the many revisions, is that clinically vulnerable teachers should be supported to work from home.

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I think if you're that bothered about mumsnet threads that's probably not a good start.

Would you say the same to a pupil that was being cyber bullied?

Teachers are a heavily protected profession, the shit ones don't seem to get fired they just get moved

This just shows how wrong your perception is.

I complained to my MP instead.
School have been shocking.

I guess you get less than perfect people in any profession, but I agree teacher bashing, unchecked, goes on a lot on MN. I suppose due to it being one of the very few groups you’re allowed to criticise without the thread being deleted.

A lot of posts on here are about people moaning about issues with partners, friends etc. They could easily be tackled by actually speaking to those involved and not posting online to vent, or get strangers opinions , yet that is what this site is for. So yabu on that account. Yes, in the first instance you should contact your children's school but where is the harm to post and see if your experiences are out of the ordinary?

Many people do not understand who makes the decisions in school. I asked this same question on another thread and no-one in the know answered. I realise it is not teachers but is it the head teacher solely or the local authority? Is there any scope for individual teachers to speak up if they are unhappy with the work you are being asked to prepare or the level of contact you are allowed to have with pupils?

Another issue is saying that it is difficult to work with your own children in tow. Join the club. At the moment anyone who works from home is struggling with this, this should make people empathise but instead a lot feel well if I can manage it why can't teachers? I fully appreciate that it would be inappropriate to have zoom style lessons when your child could pop onto screen regularly but having a toddler at home shouldn't stop responses to email, providing feedback etc.

Many responses on here are by parents who fail to motivate their kids and want an outlet to vent at and that is teachers. That is wrong in my opinion and at this moment in time parents do have to make sure they are taking time out to help their child even if that means working with your child outside of your working day or on weekends. However, the views of parents who feel very disheartened by the lack of work issued to their children or support should not be ignored.

pigeon, Exactly who is it that you are "never going to forgive?"
Whoever it is, I'm sure they're quaking in their boots.

Good post, Sceptre86.

I understand that if I were a teacher I would be hurt at “all teachers are lazy/crap” type comments. But surely as a teacher you have encountered sub-standard colleagues? Well, parents notice these teachers and on a parenting site will have a moan about them. I get that some posters are thoroughly unreasonable, whingeing about Reception job shares or the teacher not noticing what book band their kid is on etc etc, but other posts are about teachers who are failing their pupils.

Frankly I think there are fewer of these now than when I was at school. I had a teacher at primary school who used to get ready to go home at 3pm and walk out of the door at 3.15 exactly, leaving the kids all sitting there. Every afternoon we did jigsaws etc whilst she slept in her chair. The boys would throw bits of plasticine at her to see if she’d wake up. I can’t imagine that she would have been throwing herself into lockdown learning!