To think COVID-19 isn't actually over?

[FourPlasticRings]

Today I've had a door to door salesman try to hand me a flier from my doorstep and seen a Facebook group message inviting mums and mums to be from my local area to an en masse gathering at a local park cafe to get to know each other. AIBU to think that this sort of thing still shouldn't be happening? Or have I missed a memo and it's all fine now? Anyone else seeing things like this?

But how long for? You do know life has to go back to normal at some point?

Yes, but is that our call to make as individuals or a matter of national policy that should be informed by relevant data and scientific evidence?

@FourPlasticRings

But how long for? You do know life has to go back to normal at some point?

Yes, but is that our call to make as individuals or a matter of national policy that should be informed by relevant data and scientific evidence?

Well, seeing as the government's chief adviser broke lockdown numerous times, why do you expect anyone else to pay it the slightest bit of attention?

I don't trust anything this government says. Boris is about as much use as a chocolate teapot and between them they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

If people can queue and go to Primark or NikeTown or wherever else, why can't they go and sit outdoors and socialise? Arguably the latter is much safer as it's an open space?

You've got 2 different factors to consider:

Gov legislation
Personal responsibility

The sweet spot lies in a blend of the two.
CV19 will become like anything else. Would you hug your gran if you had a stomach bug? No, so you wouldn't do it with covid.

Honestly people have gone absolutely mental on both sides of this, acting like toff nosed virology PhDs or batty children. Just because you're """allowed""" doesn't necessarily mean you should queue for hours outside JD Sports....but it also doesn't mean you need to cotton wool yourself for no reason.

The world has always been a dirty, dangerous unsanitised place - we just don't see it that often, we're soft and it shows.

If a guys coming to your door with leaflets well maybe he shouldn't be doing that, but maybe he's trying his best. You could have not opened the door? Idk what to tell you.

I think we as a country need to accept that this will be with us in some form as many other things are and get on with it.

I'm in a shielding household and think that it makes absolute sense for restrictions to be relaxed for those that are low risk.

We still go for walks in quiet places and to be honest I don't feel like I'm missing out on not going into retail shops so even if we could go out there isn't really anywhere that I'm desperate to go.

I even saw my dad in his garden last week and sat about 3 metres away from him - #renegade

I am with hooves, we have a choice, to move as a society which means moving slowly and carefully towards strong virus suppression, or move at a rate more acceptable to low risk people, and accept then that we are placing many millions in the impossible position of having to shield indefinitely or take risks far beyond anything the low risk group are facing

It seems the vulnerable are being scarified

And it is a choice. Other countries have made a different choice, even Scotland seems to be going for a much harder virus suppression than England. Hard virus suppression equals low risk for all, not just the lucky and young

The really sad thing is that I think the economy recovers better and faster if we go for hard virus suppression.

Scotland are asking English tac payers to subsidise 2 years of furlough so they can pursue this (entirely political) "virus suppression".

They are going to suppress the education of their young people too, but sure who gives a fuck, eh?

2 years of furlough. Utterly ridiculous. And I'm on furlough myself!

Midgebabe. The situation in Scotland is purely political. Our response to Covid has been just as shambolic as England and in many ways actually worse. Now they want to go slowly so as to infantilise us and so NS can rant about how mean Westminster is for closing the purse strings. It has zero to do with protecting vulnerable as evidenced by the utterly chaotic care home situation north of the border.

I think everyone needs to make their own risk assessment and their own informed choice and decide what level of risk they are happy to live with, as weighed up against the negative effects of continuing to isolate themselves. There are approx 1000 new cases a day currently in a population of 67 million people. For some that is an acceptable risk. For others not.

I thought the true figure was around 5000 new cases a day? Including those not tested

Which is around ? 20 to 40,000 people actively infectious at any one time?

Which with a small shift in R can become 100,000 a week later? But we probably wouldn't know until a week or two afterwards that things were going rapidly upwards

The absolute risk on any day is not knowable until some time later, and the risk can change rapidly

The lockdown feels over that’s for sure

Seeing the planes in the sky and the cars on the road has made me really sad.