To think this isn't ok?

[SallySunflower15]

Would you find it concerning if a teacher or school governor at your child's school was sharing moderately racist memes and posts on social media? Is it appropriate for someone in either of these roles to share this stuff publicly when they are working in a school with a small number of BAME families?

She knows exactly what she's saying.

Further, as a governor, she is creating an overtly hostile environment for non white and non British children at the school.

Absolutely inappropriate and there is literally no chance that they don't know that.

I'd report them in a hot second. And yes, I'm a teacher.

It’s generally a statement to tell foreigners they aren’t really welcome, usually posted by people who think the Union Jack offends people (literally no-one is offended by the UJ.) They are also the kind of people that post a lot about “snowflakes”.

Not racist at all.

THAT ISN'T RACIST.

WE live in the UK if the flag offends you Fuck Off.

We must be the only country in the fucking world who can't be proud to fly our flag. I used to love our flag, I still do, but I don't display it anymore because of idiots like you.

@LatteLoverLovesLattes wow. You sound nice and so well educated....

Nobody is saying that a flag is offensive. But the racial undertones are. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

If the union jack offends you the you should fuck off

Fuck off to where, exactly? How about the Welsh, who are not represented on that flag? Where should they fuck off to? To those who voted 'Yes' in the Scottish referendum? To where should they more appropriately fuck off? How about those, including the hegemonic social group in England, who would have preferred to remain in the EU? Should they fuck the off away, too? Or is this predominantly aimed at first-, second- or third-generation immigrants who are possibly being advised to 'fuck off home?'

It's a straw man argument in any case. No one is claiming to be 'offended' by the union flag. Incidentally, such loyal patriotism as demonstrated in the post above should be able to differentiate between a union flag and a union jack.

WE live in the UK if the flag offends you Fuck Off.

@LatteLoverLovesLattes

You can't be so hard of thinking you're unaware of the way the flag being put alongside that kind of wording has (unfortunately) been hijacked by racists and xenophobes?

Do you know how hateful and ridiculous you sound telling people to fuck off and calling them idiots?

Have a calm down. Surely you're perfectly capable of saying you don't think it's racist without telling people to fuck off or calling them idiots. If you aren't capable of that then I feel sorry for you.

It's a straw man argument in any case. No one is claiming to be 'offended' by the union flag.

And this is an excellent point from another poster @LatteLoverLovesLattes.

I've never seen someone post the "if you don't like this fuck off" pictures in response to anyone actually saying they don't like the Union Jack... who are you talking to?

People on this thread aren't offended because they do hate the Union Jack and feel they're being victimised by someone saying "fuck off", they're pointing out that that kind of post is thinly veiled anti immigrant rhetoric speaking to an imaginary antagonist.

I don't have an issue with the Union Jack, I do have an issue with racism, xenophobia, anti immigrant bullying and the kind of wide eyed faux patriotic comments that so clearly display those things.

People aren't offended by flags but maybe they're angry if they're attached to something which contradicts British values. Like a threatening march.

Why is it considered racist to be proud of our flag, regardless of your heritage if you are living in britain you should be proud of its flag, maybe not its history, but thats different

Growing up, union flag bunting was a sure sign of a BNP/NF pub. That's not my fault. It's the fault of racists. They hijacked it so it became less nice. If racists hadn't done that, we could have kept the flag. The whole 'fuck off' rhetoric should be directed at the supremacists that did it. Never is though, is it?

if you are living in britain you should be proud of its flag

Why?

Of course it's inappropriate

Yes. The Codes of Conduct for both staff and governors should be on their website, or available on request from the School. Might be a good starting point for your complaint. They need to know.

Why is it considered racist to be proud of our flag, regardless of your heritage if you are living in britain you should be proud of its flag, maybe not its history, but thats different

Being proud of your country and telling people to fuck off if they don't like it are quite different really aren't they? It is so disingenuous to say otherwise.

As PP said, the flag being displayed alongside such aggressive wording is something associated with racism due to racists using it in that way, not due to people being offended by it...

The wide eyed innocence 'it's just a flag' thing is so tired. It's not just a flag is it, because she said something unnecessarily aggressive in a post that wasn't part of a conversation but existed in its own right. Faux naivety doesn't wash with most people.

Please report to headteacher abbs chair of governors asap!

It's not the flag, it's the subtext of "if you dont like it, fuck off".

Only wide eyed, disingenuous racists claim not to understand what the subtext is.

Shouldn't you be offended that the flag is being used to threaten and upset, rather than welcome?

[quote SallySunflower15]@LatteLoverLovesLattes wow. You sound nice and so well educated....

Nobody is saying that a flag is offensive. But the racial undertones are. I wouldn't expect you to understand. [/quote]
From one extremely vague description I cannot see any undertones.

Please don’t imply things which are not there just for attention.
You would have shared the ‘message’ if it was really offensive.

@letmethinkaboutitfornow i didn't share the full details of the meme as it's outing but it was along these lines, if anything I have missed bits out rather than over dramatised anything.

Just report and stop agonizing on mumsnet. What's the point.

The spice girls used to wear Union Jack dresses and had Union Jacks everywhere in their movie and they clearly can’t be racist

The spice girls used to wear Union Jack dresses and had Union Jacks everywhere in their movie and they clearly can’t be racist

No because the issue isn't the Union Jack in isolation. If the film had been released during a storm of very public right wing protests and after the controversy of brexit and the dress included a slogan saying "if you don't like this flag then fuck off" then it might have had fairly different undertones, don't you think?

If I saw a swastika in a Hindu temple it would be a little different to a forehead tattoo. Context is everything.

If I saw a swastika in a Hindu temple it would be a little different to a forehead tattoo. Context is everything.

Far too nuanced for the 'if you don't like it fuck off' types.

You can't be so hard of thinking you're unaware of the way the flag being put alongside that kind of wording has (unfortunately) been hijacked by racists and xenophobes?

You want to bet?