"Trans rights: government reported to be dropping gender self-identifying plans"

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Ah, is this possibly something the majority of Mumsnet could support the Government on, have we found that one issue?

Excuse the Fail link -

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418253/Boris-Johnson-drops-plans-make-gender-change-easier.html

but for balance too:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/14/trans-rights-government-reported-to-be-dropping-gender-self-identifying-plans

....or AIBU?

Brilliant. Now is the time to write to all the GC MPs and peers we can think of to make sure this legislation covers equalities guidance for all public and private institutions, and makes 'genderist' toolkits that override government legislation explicitly illegal. Or this whole excercise is pointless.

How about a ban on Gender-Conversion therapy while you're about it.

Excellent news. Now Scotland need to sort their shit out.

And businesses and the govt to unwind their pre-emptive removal of single sex spaces and hospital wards - toilets and changing rooms, and shelters to be able to cater for single sex provision

Gay cure therapies?
Tavistock etc would have to be very careful

I read this today and the relief was unreal.
Someone needs to stand up and protect women.
I never thought Boris and his cabinet would be the ones to do it!

Thank God

Here is the Sunday Times front page that the other papers are referring to:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-scraps-plan-to-make-gender-change-easier-zs6lqfls0?shareToken=ec26f422035f325dc288c9728026249c

How about a ban on Gender-Conversion therapy while you're about it.

Yes, that is, appropriately,part of it.

On the contrary, Johnson is prepared to stand up for all kinds of things, so long as they are popular, whether he personally supports them or not. In this case, the gender critical position is the popular one. I would not be surprised if Dominic "finger on the pulse" Cummings had a part to play in all this.

Don't misunderstand me - I think the gender critical position is also the right one. I just don't think its being right has anything to do with why Johnson supports it.

"On the contrary, Johnson is prepared to stand up for all kinds of things, so long as they are popular, whether he personally supports them or not."
So what? More power to him if he is prepared to stand up for things irrespective of whether he believes in them or not. In general our representatives should represent us and should be led by what we want rather than them listing their manifestoes and us voting for the one we find most acceptable or least unacceptable.

They need to remember 'we're the public, you're the servant.'

Disclaimer: I don't really believe that last line but always think that play on words is funny. It's in my head from something I watched which is in a strong Scouse accent (I love the accent).

So what? More power to him if he is prepared to stand up for things irrespective of whether he believes in them or not. In general our representatives should represent us and should be led by what we want rather than them listing their manifestoes and us voting for the one we find most acceptable or least unacceptable
100%

Chuffed to bits if the Govt are dropping gender self-identification.

I do wonder if the fact that Carrie Symonds was a victim of John Warboys (she has spoken publicly about this) has helped BJ understand that there are predatory men out there that my try to misuse access to single sex spaces.

The Times big front page splash

Brilliant news and about time!

This is great news, but for us in Scotland we’ve got a long way to go.

Mmm! So the possible end point of TRA actions is to have it written in law: if you do not pass thou shalt not pass?

Bit of an own goal and was forseen by everyone of us and most transwomen who have been using female loos etc for decades.

Maybe we can start a #ToldYouSo

Great news! It looks like the government are confirming what we all know, trans women are men with gender dysphoria. How anyone could ever think it was appropriate to let people change their birth certificates without a medical diagnosis is beyond me.

I’ve no doubt the trans lobby will be inundating their MPs with letters this morning, so we should all write to them too to make our feelings known.

TRA have thrown the quiet Trans Women under the bus. The ones who just wanted to get on with their lives in the best was they could.
Why did trans rights have to be instead of women’s rights rather than alongside women’s rights.

Hopefully common sense prevails!

I've commented on another thread already but this is brilliant news. I hope we can now start to properly challenge the self-id nonsense and one-sided indoctrination in schools.

I'm glad women's rights have prevailed in the U.K. such a pity Ireland pushed through self ID without barely a whisper a few years ago.

This is great news!

There are additional benefits here too.

• discussion and debate will now have to happen.
• this toxic lie that to be pro-women is to be anti-trans has to be flushed out the manipulative tactic to simply tell women to shut up.
• now accuracy can be restored to statistics and studies. In fact, those studies that were shut down by lobbyists as being transphobic but may have given evidence of effects on children and women may even now go ahead.

In fact, if one thing I have seen is that most people who come on to threads lately to declare the women discussing this issue as phobic have done little balanced and unbiased reading. They often post easily debunked op-eds but can’t/won’t acknowledge the bias in their sources when it is pointed out. Maybe this behaviour will finally stop. Maybe people will stop with the shaming of women.

Another thing I really am looking forward to is seeing these statistics and theories soundly debunked publicly. Because the only reason they have continued to be put forward is because to provide a balancing voice has been shut down by ‘no debate’. Now with debate, these activists have nothing, nothing but feelings to put forward and the false theories.

Yessssssss!! Excellent news.