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who gets dog back?

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nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 08:37

name changed for this as it is potentially outing.

I know a couple who last year had to give up beloved dog as he became increasingly distressed when he was left on his own and both worked full time jobs. they also had a young baby and the dog had started to become aggressive (he had always been the "baby" and I think jealousy had a role though in hindsight this could of been due to him starting to get unwell but a trip to the vet picked up on nothing) dog went to someone they know so were able to keep in touch with dog.

anyway fast forward 11 months to now and sadly poor dog had a massive stroke that he did not recover from and had to be put down. person who took dog on has asked for contribution towards the cremation - previous owners have asked for the dogs ashes back.

this has caused a massive row as new owner wants to keep the ashes. previous owner is devastated citing that they had dog for 10 years vs them for 11 months and that whilst he will be forever grateful they took the dog on when he no longer could he desperately wants his ashes back. I think part of the desperation is the previous owner has always felt such guilt that he couldn't keep him even though it was the fairest thing on the dog and the safest thing for the baby.

I'm really not sure - new owner claims it's his dog now so he keeps the ashes whereas previous owner is in bits saying he brought him up, had him far far longer and is being expected to cover over half of the money for him to be cremated and that this is not fair.

what do we think?

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Carolbaskinstiger · 14/06/2020 09:08

@missmouse101 you’re right actually - the aforementioned paperweight is god knows where. A photo of said dog is prominently displayed in my living room.

FiveShelties · 14/06/2020 09:08

The original owner did not want the dog when he was alive, why would they want the ashes now he is dead. Horrible.

nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 09:08

@missmouse101 I totally agree or they should be scattered at somewhere where the dog loved walking - dog adored the sea! new owner is sadly really against this though

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NewName54321 · 14/06/2020 09:09

Does new owner have per insurance that covers some or all of the costs? Old owners could well be taken for a ride here.

New owners pay and get ashes. Old owners don't pay, don't get ashes but do have more memories.

heartsonacake · 14/06/2020 09:10

New owner shouldn’t be asking for a financial contribution, that was cheeky, but equally they should get to keep all the ashes.

Previous owner has no right to ashes as they gave the dog away regardless of the reason, but equally they don’t need to contribute.

nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 09:10

@FiveShelties I dont think it would be fair to say the couple didnt want him - he was devastated when he had to give him up. normally I am really against people giving dogs up but he had become extremely anxious and could not be left alone for longer than half an hour without breaking out. he had also become increasingly aggressive and they had a young baby

so whilst I so agree the new owner has final say I would never put it to them in such a way as you have said

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NewName54321 · 14/06/2020 09:10

Pet insurance

User8008135 · 14/06/2020 09:12

If they are contributing, then new owner should give them half. Seems very petty if refuse to split but to ask for money.

If new owner pays, new owner keeps unless he or she shows compassion and gives half.

In short, old owners unreasonable to expect. New owners unreasonable to show no compassion and offer a split plus to ask for cash

FiveShelties · 14/06/2020 09:12

@nonamex3 they gave away a 10 year old dog. How could they now claim the ashes - the poor dog.

Carolbaskinstiger · 14/06/2020 09:12

@nonamex3 do you think the issue of ashes would have come up at all if the new owner hasn’t asked for a contribution? I think that’s how I’d approach it with my friend. As @missmouse101 says it’s more about photos and memories than ashes. This is one of those things where in a years tome it will all seem like a fuss over nothing.

nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 09:15

@NewName54321 honestly, I cant imagine they would have done. I'm trying not to be stereotypical here but he wouldnt be someone I would imagine would be that on the ball - I also am not sure if he got his chip changed. this is where it gets even muddier - dogs chip may still be registered to old owner, old owner was never contacted regarding a change and there was never a receipt or anything to show ownership change. this was quite simply a friend taking on dog because previous owner couldnt for reasons I've mentioned.

the reason I've asked on here for opinions is because it is such an uncomfortable and bizarre conversation to have in real life - I feel desperately sad for all involved but I'm really not sure what I think the answer is when both parties are being so stubborn about it

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nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 09:17

@FiveShelties I dont really want to get into that debate, I personally think they did the best thing for the dog and the least selfish, they gave him up knowing it would devastate him. I saw the dog with previous owners and it was impossible - they lived next to a very busy road and had resorted to putting heavy locks on the windows - I shit you not the dog used to bite and smash his way out. they paid dog sitters but he had become aggressive and previous owner was terrified he would act out and be put down. they did the right thing by giving him ro friend and I dont normally say that about people giving up on their pets

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Pugsrus · 14/06/2020 09:26

They are both grieving ,it’s so hard when you loose your pet .

FiveShelties · 14/06/2020 09:28

@nonamex - I think they should be grateful to their friends who took an aggressive old dog into their home and let it go.

Littlebyerockerboo · 14/06/2020 09:32
  1. New owner should not have asked for contributions full stop IMO, and if asking for contribution towards bill should be more than happy to at least split the ashes
  1. Old owner does not have rights to the dog having given dog up, and letting someone else bring dog up for 11 months.

Both are being unreasonable in thier own rights.
However, the final owner who looked after the dog has the end say, as unfair as that is. If the original owner had given dog to someone who did not have contact with them afterward, they would not get as say.

Ive actually got some experience of this, so i do understand the feeling of the original owner.
I had a rescue with v. Aggressive behaviour issues with my ex H. It took many years of kind training and trust building to make this dog a trusting animal again. I poured my heart and soul to giving him and home and working on his aggression.
After several years, he was a wonderful kind dog, who didn't show any signs of aggression. For my troubles I was rewarded.
My H and I split and I had to move into an apartment, no animals. I left dog with exH. He moved in with affair woman.
A year or so later dog got very old. They let him get to a state he could hardly walk and was just a skeleton, it broke my heart to see him get that poorly and be kept alive for thier own selfish reasons.
On the day they decided to put him out of his misery, exH told me on the way to the vets.
I said I was going to be there and he said it was too late and not to come.
I dropped everything a hurried there and got there just in time.
As they put him to sleep, I had to stand with ex H and affair woman, as she poured over my dog, took cuttings of his fur, spoke as if he had been hers forever, removed his collar, and arranged the urn for his ashes.

It was like a dagger to my heart, she was determined I was to have no say and gave me no options to do so.

The urn now sits in thier house surrounded by candles, along with his collar i brought him on my ex H birthday one year (it was a special on that linked my ex and the dog together) and cuttings of his fur.

That day, upon leaving, I actually gave ex Hs partner a hug and thanked her for caring for the dog.

I figured, my dog at least spent the last year of his life still surrounded by love, no matter my feelings of what I was entitled to, it wouldn't have mattered to the dog, and this woman took care of him and seemed to have loved him.. she would have never had my experience with him, but she did care.

Plus all my memories were real, lasting years and in my head and heart. I have photographs and all those wonderful times stored just for me. I realised having a jar of dead dog, didn't mean anything in the end to the dog, or me. We had our time and nobody can take that away from me.

Prehaps, op, you could show the old owner my version of the similar situation and they could think about the dog in a different light, and make peace with not having a physical reminder?
Its also seems a shame to ruin a relationship with someone who helped previous owner when in need, if it wasnt for the new owner, who knows what kind of life the dog would have had.

nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 09:33

if only life were that simple eh :( just to be clear I completely agree it was a very giving act on behalf of new owners but I can sympathise with old owners, especially with the comments about a financial contribution.

very uncomfortable discussions I'm being drawn into in real life. I really dont want to be involved but not sure how to put this kindly to them when they are both so upset, the whole thing is making me feel very weird. poor dog :(

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nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 09:35

@Littlebyerockerboo that's a wonderful way you were able to look at it - I hope eventually old owner can see it like this if it comes to it and find peace with it

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Beautiful3 · 14/06/2020 09:38

New owner took on the dog. It belonged to new owner. New owner should not ask previous owners for money. If new owner is desperate for the money, then ask for half towards it but be prepared to give half the shes to them. Perhaps empty vacuum contents into new urn, to gift?!

CherryPavlova · 14/06/2020 09:44

I’m wondering who would want to keep Fido on the mantelpiece?

Chloemol · 14/06/2020 09:54

Why do they share the ash’s

Chloemol · 14/06/2020 09:55

Don’t not do

Twooter · 14/06/2020 16:11

Having read your updates, I think old owners should apologise to new owners and thank them for taking the dog on. They shouldn’t have to contribute to getting the ashes returned, ( although in their shoes I would give something towards the euthanasia cost, assuming it’s not covered by insurance. )
I think it should be framed that the dog presumably lived both families and it’s disrespectful to the dog to fall out like this.

Levrierssontmeilleurs · 14/06/2020 16:25

New owner gets ashes & pays the bill. The dog didn’t belong to the old owners anymore

Starbuggy · 14/06/2020 17:15

New owner shouldn’t have asked for a contribution to the cost of cremation

But if previous owners are being expected to pay half then they should be given half the ashes.

nonamex3 · 14/06/2020 18:23

@Twooter they've said how grateful they are for them taking the dog, I'm not sure what you mean by they should apologise

as it stands, they are talking about scattering in a place he used to walk and old owner getting the collar he went with. new owner keeping the collar he brought for the dog. I really hope that this sticks like this

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