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To think the idea that schools won’t be back full time by September is an absolute disgrace?

999 replies

LovingLivingInLockdown · 13/06/2020 22:36

The government and teaching unions need to pull their fingers out. There should be no excuses.

The effects of 6 months out of school is going to be damaging enough, both educationally and mentally for hundreds of thousands of children. Not to mention the unnoticed abuse and neglect.

Teachers should be wearing PPE with spit screens if they are vulnerable and this should be being organised now. Temporary classrooms should be being built in playgrounds and school fields. Random testing routines in all schools should be being devised as well as guidelines regarding children’s contact with others outside of school and home. Whatever it takes, it must be done.

Our society expects parents to work while their DC are at school and if they want to get the economy moving again, schools being back by September should be non negotiable surely?

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Eyewhisker · 14/06/2020 08:49

Tabby - schools are closed to protect the old and vulnerable not the children. The risk to anyone under 45 from the virus is absolutely minimal.

SmileEachDay · 14/06/2020 08:50

OfTheNight

Well said Smile

LaurieMarlow · 14/06/2020 08:50

The problem is unless you really want to do the job you won't last. 40% now don't! Research now tells us it takes 10yrs to really become great in your profession. Many new teachers have gone by that point

When there aren’t any better options for them, they’ll find themselves able to stick it out.

Grad recruitment this year is going to be an absolute washout.

Naturally they’ll look to sectors that are secure, that they may not have considered in other circs.

NowImLivinInExeter · 14/06/2020 08:50

Ethelfleda I agree with your posts but I have to say I'm surprised to see that it's you posting them because I recall you being very pro lockdown a couple of months back.

woodlands01 · 14/06/2020 08:51

Schools shut with 2 days notice - loads of time to prepare! No just drop teachers in the shit and let us work all hours teaching ourselves how to work online and re-jigging our resources to work best. Oh and buy our own equipment ( refused a £40 piece of kit which wound have saved me hours). Please furlough me and I'll do nothing. I can make up the 20% private tutoring and have a lovely time. Job safe - shortage subject.

LaurieMarlow · 14/06/2020 08:52

Please furlough me and I'll do nothing.

Most of those furloughed are at risk of redundancy. Are you happy to take their chances too?

walker1891 · 14/06/2020 08:53

The irony of those saying it isn't safe is that they will happily I assume go into a car. Cross a road. Eat (risk of choking!!!). Do all these things which have inherent risks. But won't go back to school until it is "safe". It will never be safe.

Yeah but do you drive at 150mph without a seatbelt? No you wear a seatbelt and drive at speeds and follow the signs to keep yourself safe. Teachers can't take such precautions in school to keep themselves safe. They can't wear PPE nor distance.

TabbyMumz · 14/06/2020 08:53

"TabbyCoVid not everywhere! We haven't even had a single infection case here for over two weeks. Your view of the risk now seems out of date. Deregister your children, problem solved, and then you won't be charged with non attendance in September."
How on earth could you know you havent had a single infection in two weeks near you? And if you havent, that's because of lockdown. Shops open on Monday, thats going to increase infections. All these people gathering at riots are going to cause an increase in infections. Infections are high by me at the moment. There are reports R has been above one in certain parts. Wht do you say deregister them? That's silly. They just dont need to go at the moment, and I'm not sure they will go in September. The Government isnt sure they will open in September, and I doubt there will be fines.

formerbabe · 14/06/2020 08:54

A lot of people were pro lockdown. A lot of people thought schools would be closed for a couple of weeks... I was willing to accept that for the greater good.

But six months? With no end in sight and no plan?

Enough is enough

woodlands01 · 14/06/2020 08:55

lauriemarlow I teach Maths - I can always get a job

woodlands01 · 14/06/2020 08:56

I want to be back to school now.

LaurieMarlow · 14/06/2020 08:56

I teach Maths - I can always get a job

If your skills are required then, you should be delivering to the best of your abilities, not whinging about furlough.

LaurieMarlow · 14/06/2020 08:57

I want to be back to school now.

Great

Aragog · 14/06/2020 08:57

Victorian era schools probably have bigger classrooms

Not here. Many many years ago the larger rooms were divided and also had false ceilings put in to allow for the smaller classes (when they went from 40s+ to 30) so they are now smaller and very much inflexible in terms of creating new space. The rooms aren't really big enough for 30 pupils normally. It's a tight fit as it is and there's little flexibility for rearranging furniture.

We have no school field.

We have a concrete yard on a slope.

We already have two 'temporary' classrooms on the only flat bits of the yard - they've been used for decades, the renewal of the temp cabins only done in last few years due to asbestos.

I will return when the Government and scientists tell me to not when MNeteers tell me it's safe. If it's not safe enough to drop
SD in society then it's not safe enough to do so in a school. The smaller bubbles reduce the risk for pupil, staff and families.

I'd love to know where all the MNetters have gained their scientific understanding and expertise which makes them know better than most scientists and governments around the world.

Our school is currently full to capacity, under the new guidelines, with KW and vulnerable children. We cannot even take back the other eligible years.

It's purely a matter of space.. 9 classes. 9 classrooms.

We have no additional rooms that are useable as classrooms. The computer room could be made to me but would need more extensive cleaning that any other and would mean a lot of work. It's also smaller so less pupils can fit. But with some time and money it could be made useable. The only is also a walkway, the sports hall, the dining hall etc which is useful at present to allow classes some space to run around in and do or on these rainy days. We have no other rooms.

The only way we can accept every child back is to ignore the guidelines and ignore all social distancing for pupils and adults.

If you really think infant school children lessons would work fine with teachers wearing ppe and behind screens you've obviously never been anywhere near a classroom before.

I believe we will be back almost normally be September. I think the government will have decided there is no risk especially in schools (whether the scientific evidence says so or not) and we will be back with 30 per class, no social distancing, no bubbles, and missing at playtimes and lunch.

Schools in China have started to return now with no SD and PPE. They were away for 20 weeks, though less holidays (think they missed 18 weeks of school iirr.) That time takes us to sometime in August here. Our schools have currently missed 9 weeks and have another 5 to go before summer, so 14 weeks plus holidays.

In England children can now socialise. Because the numbers for groups in 6 this means that parents can arrange play dates even for younger children. But parents need to be involved to supervise and arrange them. I know of few children in my real life now who aren't socialising, bar the extremely vulnerable and they wouldn't be in school either.

What parents actually need to fight for is not schools reopening right now particularly. It's childcare over the summer months particularly. Suitable childcare which is affordable and in large enough numbers in order to allow parents to work.

TabbyMumz · 14/06/2020 08:57

"Tabby - schools are closed to protect the old and vulnerable not the children. The risk to anyone under 45 from the virus is absolutely minimal.
Not if theyve got pre existing conditions it's not. I love it how thousands of people have died and thousands seriously ill with it, but theres people out there who think they are teflon coated "oh it wont get me, I'm under 45". What twaddle.

SmileEachDay · 14/06/2020 08:57

former

It’s 10 weeks of actual school that the majority will actually miss.

It’s not massively helpful to parents and young people who feel anxious to be hyperbolic about this.

UncomfortableSilence · 14/06/2020 08:58

These all cost money. The government won’t fund them. I don’t have access to a visor myself. If they won’t FUND the hospital I doubt they will fund a SCHOOL.

See my earlier post on this thread. There is a fund for this, you can claim under Exceptional Costs, the government have given this fund to schools to claim for things that they need directly related to COVID.

eggofmantumbi · 14/06/2020 08:58

Thank you for that@ofthenight

TabbyMumz · 14/06/2020 08:59

"But six months? With no end in sight and no plan?"
6 months? April, May, June.....3 months.

Bumpinthenight · 14/06/2020 09:00

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross

I haven't heard people moan about reduced hours the banks are doing. Or Lack of takeaways. Or The fact that people who work in Next, WHSmith, the independent clothes and gift shops are doing fuck all.

I haven't heard that the lack of any of these facilities presents a significant risk to the educational and mental well being of a generation of children. A pretty disingenuous comparison!

A lot of the arguments about school aren't about the well-being of children or their education more the fact that parents are sick of having their children around 24/7.

Also, wanting teachers to justify what they have been doing for the last 12 weeks.

It is sad that schools are being blamed for everything when it is a government decision.

Children can now meet their friends outside at a distance of 2m. Any parents thought of doing this to help their children?

Do you think there was this much backlash when children were sent away in the war?

Yes it is difficult but everyone is in the same boat. There are ways of helping children's mental well-being - video calls, zoom quizzes, garden picnics, social distance walks.

My DD is an only child. Her mental well-being is fine because we have facilitated the above. Friends have come and sat in the garden. We have had a picnic in her grandparents garden. We met with other grandparents. I slept on the trampoline with her! She is just fine. Would like to go to school to see her friends, but not for schoolwork as she is getting a lot more done at home with no interruptions from 'silly behaviour' or 'stupid questions'.

All children are in the same boat so there aren't some being disadvantaged (other than those choosing not to do the set work). They will catch up. The curriculum and exams may change.

Aragog · 14/06/2020 09:01

are having a right jolly at everyone's expense right now. Not my opinion - this is FACT amongst the many many primary teachers I

Yeah, okay.

If primary teachers are so rubbish why on earth do you even want to send your children to a school ever. You'd be better off never sending them and teaching them yourselves.

It's fact perhaps for the teachers YOU personally know. I suspect however it's absolute nonsense made up to goad.

The teachers I know are working. Many are in school full time teaching KW and vulnerable children. The others who are medically vulnerable are, like millions of people in the UK, wfh to remain safe. But that doesn't mean they're doing nothing.

jasjas1973 · 14/06/2020 09:01

@pigeon999

Did you read your own link, what its based on and how inaccurate the authors say their predictions are?

We need to not only be sending children back to some form of education, probably part-time but also planning for a worse case scenario of a 2nd wave.

Strictly1 · 14/06/2020 09:01

I have been in school throughout and we have opened up further to Rec, Y1 and Y6 as allowed. No dragging of heels. What I do find interesting is the children of doctors have not returned. This is also true of another school close to the hospital with lots of doctors children in.
I do think we should open - we do need children in school but I also think we need some measures in place - staggered start etc no assemblies, no visitors etc. We need the Government to get on with it though so we can plan. All back and pretend the virus has gone I think is as naive as keep them home until it's safe.

AmazingGrace16 · 14/06/2020 09:03

I wish that the government would just take responsibility for this. All decisions about how this is working have been at school level. A school near me only invited year R back due to no space.
The guidance is woolly and because schools are trying to muddle through, doing their best, I feel parents are frustrated with teachers and with schools.

I've not met a teacher who doesn't want to be back, but with clear expectations.
They need to reduce social distancing if schools are going to come back in full. Or they need to fund porta-cabins on every school site to provide spaces. There still won't be enough teachers and then they will ask TAs to step in. TAs who are paid £12k per year.
It's a disgrace.

For years and years schools have been underfunded and undervalued. I'm unconvinced that this has done anything to change that.