Interesting spin on BLM (Warning death)

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Interesting spin on BLM, by the Hodge Twins

twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1271233774852833281?s=19

Its not news that white people get killed too.
But more black people get killed ( as a percentage of the population) than white or hispanic or asian people. Black people are also more likely to be harmed in custody, arrested, stop and searched without cause, and jailed. Because the police systemically RACIST and everyone knows it.
So stop with the ALL lives matter crap - you're like those losers who want a 'Straight Pride'... completely missing the point

Some of what defunding the police means

www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2020-06-12/schools-districts-end-contracts-with-police-amid-ongoing-protests

More from an article in The Cut

’Defunding the police does not necessarily mean getting rid of the police altogether. Rather, it would mean reducing police budgets and reallocating those funds to crucial and oft-neglected areas like education, public health, housing, and youth services. (Some activists want to abolish the police altogether; defunding is a separate but connected cause.) It’s predicated on the belief that investing in communities would act as a better deterrent to crime by directly addressing societal problems like poverty, mental illness, and homelessness — issues that advocates say police are poorly equipped to handle, and yet are often tasked with. According to some estimates, law enforcement spends 21 percent of its time responding to and transporting people with mental illnesses. Police are also frequently dispatched to deal with people experiencing homelessness, causing them to be incarcerated at a disproportionate rate.‘

Watch 13th on Netflix. It is a real eye opener as to how the criminal justice system deals with black people in America.

Two lethal issues:
The violent power of U.S police
And
Racism.

Racism exacerbated and amplifies the danger of the violence of the police for black citizens, both in the reaction of the police and the ability of other racist citizens to invoke them (Amy Cooper etc).

It would be much better for Black people, as well as white, if the US police stopped killing people willy billy.

But they would still live with racism.

And don’t be dense, OF COURSE you can say you find the police violence in general to be unacceptable. Just don’t steal the phrase created and publicised by the campaign against racist killing for your cause.

twitter.com/dannyshell4/status/1270970250880864256?s=21

I have been reading a lot of stuff about this recently and I have come to realise that it’s a much bigger thing and it’s much higher up, racism.

Like with a Megan Markle, Have I been persuaded to dislike her for lots of other reasons but really we are trained to be a little bit racist and the institution of the press just don’t want her because she is not white?

I don’t know.

Well, according to the BLM website that's been posted it seems to mean getting rid of the police and having some sort of community group instead.

That's abolishing, so no.

@montyliesandmontycries

Its not news that white people get killed too. But more black people get killed ( as a percentage of the population) than white or hispanic or asian people. Black people are also more likely to be harmed in custody, arrested, stop and searched without cause, and jailed. Because the police systemically RACIST and everyone knows it. So stop with the ALL lives matter crap - you're like those losers who want a 'Straight Pride'... completely missing the point

This! Why the fuck do so many people, specially on Mumsnet, not understand this?? Are they so insecure in their white privaledge bubble that BAME people getting heard is a threat to them?

Also, just as a reminder free speech doesn't mean people have to agree with you. You are free to say whatever you want but others are also free to call you out on it.

@slashlover

Well, according to the BLM website that's been posted it seems to mean getting rid of the police and having some sort of community group instead.

That's abolishing, so no.

And yet if you read what glowcat has posted, some are calling for the police to be abolished.

As for not making police responsible for literally every service that isn't properly funded - well I would imagine every police officer would welcome it. Not going to happen anytime soon though is it, so what do you propose in the meantime?

How long do you think it will take for mental health services, drug rehab, support for single parent families to be implemented and the effects felt? How long for poverty to be eradicated? What happens in the meantime?

Are they so insecure in their white privaledge bubble that BAME people getting heard is a threat to them?

I think it's because Mumsnet is a predominantly female site so it's hard for women, who are being murdered at a rate of what two per week, to see themselves as having privilege.

You say that we have white privilege but then men BAME included,have male privilege - there's a conflict there isn't there?

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

Are they so insecure in their white privaledge bubble that BAME people getting heard is a threat to them?

I think it's because Mumsnet is a predominantly female site so it's hard for women, who are being murdered at a rate of what two per week, to see themselves as having privilege.

You say that we have white privilege but then men BAME included,have male privilege - there's a conflict there isn't there?

No there isn't a conflict. It's called intersectionality and personally I find the "Well women are oppressed too" a pretty poor excuse for dismissing the serious issues BAME people face for the colour of their skin. It's just whataboutery.

White privaledge doesn't mean you haven't had hardships in your life, it just means those hardships haven't been because of the colour of your skin. Imagine what it's like for BAME women.

It's not whataboutery. Some of these arguments are in opposition. Some are arguing for less police or a reduction in police power but that's likely to adversely affect the safety of women, who in many areas are already afraid to go out, afraid to use public transport etc. It's not whataboutery is it?

People are citing calls for American police to be defunded, we aren't in the US. Our police aren't funded in the same way. How do you want the UK police force to change - what should they stop doing and how will the gaps be addressed? How will we make it safe for everyone to be out on the streets in London? I'm completely behind any changes that will enable that to happen.

It is whataboutery and its a shame you can't see that. If your automatic response to the oppression, violence and murder of black people is both the US and the UK is "Well, women are also oppressed" then you are missing the point and trying to divert attention away from BLM. The police is systemically a racist organisation and that can't just go away, it needs a lot of work but to simply refuse any defunding suggestions that would actually save black people's lives because you think it would stop women being protected is ridiculous and yes, it's whataboutery.

So explain to me how defunding police won't put women at more risk than they currently are?

Are black people being killed at a rate of two per week by police in the UK?

And how do we take funds from the police and use it to fund other services, without those other services being up and running and having an effect before reducing police budgets? I'd be really interested to hear how this works.

I'm not discussing women's iussues on a thread about BLM because I don't agree with whataboutery.

Women aren't being assaulted or killed by police at all so it's a poor comparison

@GreytExpectations

Women aren't being assaulted or killed by police at all so it's a poor comparison

No one said they are. But calls to abolish, or defund the police in the absence of agencies to make up the shortfall will adversely affect the safety of women. Why shouldn't people be able to point that out? Maybe if someone could provide an explanation for how to remove responsibilities from the police and who will pick up these responsibilities then it would be easier to support it. As it stands I just cannot see how that will improve anyone's lives - particularly in inner city London where I am.

Well what is your solution to the current violence and murders black people are actually facing as a result of the insituationalised racism in the police force? Seems like that needs to be the focus now.

@GreytExpectations

Well what is your solution to the current violence and murders black people are actually facing as a result of the insituationalised racism in the police force? Seems like that needs to be the focus now.

If you think that's where the focus should be right now then you have every right to focus on it. Let's see how that is going to be implemented and what the proposals are. Personally, I think the way forward is to fund other agencies alongside the police until those other agencies start having an impact. At the same time introduce robust racism whistleblowing policies inside the police force.

But no, I don't support abolishing the UK police or reducing their funding without clear, workable alternatives in place because I don't think that benefits anyone.

Because no one talks about the white people who are killed. It's all about BAME. As pointed out on the video why isn't white people being killed reported. Why only BAME?
Absolutely sick of it, everyone's lives should matter but I know that's an unpopular view on here.

If we are going to discuss police reforms or diverting funding then we absolutely have to consider everyone that would be affected by that (including women at risk). The pros and the cons would need to be aired. That isn’t racist or whataboutery, it’s called looking at the bigger picture. You cannot make such serious decisions without looking at every angle.
And in the UK the police like every other public sector are already underfunded. They suffered badly from austerity measures. They already have to ignore lots of crime because of lack of numbers. Burglaries in our area don’t get investigated anymore. What other crimes would we be happy for them to stop dealing with?

I blame the right to bear arms.

It's not the same, though, is it? If someone is killed by police inside a building with nobody pointing their phone, and police body camera footage is not released, the police narrative of events stands. When something happens in a public space and a bystander captures and uploads moving images and the police narrative doesn't match, all hell breaks loose, regardless of the race of police or victim.

Unless you think people in the streets are ignoring whit victims of police violence, you have to look at the statistics and conclude that not only are black people killed by police at a rate x3 to white people per 1000000 of population, but police feel they enjoy much greater impunity to kill black people in full view of passersby.

Regardless of all the above, if police are starting to be held to account, their funding reviewed, their training upgraded and their ranks pruned of the unstable and trigger-happy, won't white people benefit as much or more than black people?

BLM means BLM too. It doesn't mean only BLM.

White parents don't routinely feel the need to educate their sons and daughters in how to survive an encounter with the police. Perhaps they should, but they don't. If police officers begin to be taught how to de-escalate tense situations instead of inflaming them, I can only see benefits for all.

I can't see any reason why everyone wouldn't be in accord with the aims of BLM.

I should just add that police body cam video of poor Daniel Shaver's killing is of course now in the public domain, but was withheld for years after his death and then released only partially in edited form. Sadly, getting people indignant enough to take to the streets in numbers it takes hot and fresh footage. That's human nature, not a disregard for white lives, in this case. 🤷🏼‍♀️