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Shutting down public toilets.

122 replies

Shallwedancetomojito · 09/06/2020 15:05

Is there really any need for this?

Councils in the UK are shutting down public toilets, shops and dept stores and cafes are going to be closing there's too, even cinemas.

I usually need the toilet as soon as I leave the house.

What about mothers with young children or people with Ibs, just for starters?

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sauvignonblancplz · 10/06/2020 10:57

Apologies for typos my screen is broke Blush

PamDenick · 10/06/2020 11:00

Women this is a feminist issue!!!
The need for public loos is much great in women, with all their needs: pregnancy weight on bladder, menstruation, post-birth bladder weaknesses, menopause.
The ladies loos with be the last things to re-open, but, you know, men can play golf.

Turbotastic · 10/06/2020 13:37

@Sandybval yes people really don't realise or appreciate just how annoying, embarrassing and restricting it can be.

I have medication to help control it but it doesn't always work and if it's hot or I'm doing exercise and have to drink more than usual then the effect is completely cancelled out. I have also wet myself in public before because sometimes the urge is so sudden and so strong you just can't plan for it. Sometimes I can go hours without needing to go, other times it can be literally every 15minutes. You just never know. If I have to go I have to go, it's not optional.

It's all well and good saying just stay at home where you know you have access to a toilet but I have no family here, very few friends, very little money and no job currently. Going out for walks in remote places is the only thing I have that I can do on a regular basis to help keep me healthy and sane!

Tbf I would happily clean the loos myself if it meant they could open!

Sandybval · 10/06/2020 13:41

@Turbotastic yep agreed, but unfortunately people don't understand I don't think. The amount of people who used to always say well just hold it, you're an adult- so infuriating! Hopefully they open soon, hopefully when things start reopening on Monday places will see sense.

GreyGardens88 · 10/06/2020 13:44

Water fountains switched off in London parks annoys me. It's completely pointless as there are no signs saying they're off so you have to press the button anyway to check!

rainkeepsfallingdown · 10/06/2020 13:48

Oh, I understand why they've closed public toilets, but I don't know how they expect us all to get out and about.

It does disproportionately affect women due to periods, pregnancy and post-natal complications - but what's the answer? The toilets really need to be cleaned every single time they're used and that's just not practical.

Thisdressneedspockets · 10/06/2020 16:37

I really feel for anyone who needs toilets for health reasons. I had years of urinary frequency and urgency which is no longer a problem, though I need to drink frequently as I'm still very prone to developing infections.

Today, I realised I'd gone a long time without fluid, so ended up chugging takeaway coffee in the Tesco queue. It warmed me up while standing in the rain too.

I'm disappointed that so many people think it's ok for people and especially women to be leashed to their homes because of lack of problem solving around toilet facilities.

MadameMarie · 10/06/2020 16:44

@GinDaddyRedux

Their income has been cut in other areas (parking fees etc) so they don't want to shell out on paying for someone to clean them to the provision required during COVID-19.

That's the long and short of it I reckon. And the real reason why so many are closed.

Also though if they're open then potentially scores of people are using them every day (hundreds if it's a busy day at the seaside) and people haven't supposed to be indoors in public places. Toilets are a huge potential virus spreader.

If you can't go the dentist for 3 months for risk of transmitting aerosols then why open public toilets when you're not supposed to be out anyway?

Once shops etc are back open properly and we come out of lockdown then they are required but it's only right they were shut while we had lockdown.

MadameMarie · 10/06/2020 16:46

@rainkeepsfallingdown

Oh, I understand why they've closed public toilets, but I don't know how they expect us all to get out and about.

It does disproportionately affect women due to periods, pregnancy and post-natal complications - but what's the answer? The toilets really need to be cleaned every single time they're used and that's just not practical.

The point during lockdown was people shouldn't have been out anyway and stayed close to home. If we're out of lock down then toilets are needed.
Holothane · 10/06/2020 16:59

When I go to Moorfields in November it will be very little drink then loo break at hospital they’re open still, but other than that we’re not going anywhere soon, we’ve both got radar keys,, but this just worries me. When we need to go we must go.

HeIenaDove · 10/06/2020 21:14

Maybe its time for a giant piss in!!!

HeIenaDove · 10/06/2020 21:21

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/10/closure-of-public-toilets-causing-anxiety-distress-and-frustration-across-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Closure of public toilets causing anxiety, distress and frustration across UK
Guardian investigation and survey also finds situation is causing significant health risk

The ongoing closure of many public toilets across the UK is having a serious impact on wellbeing, limiting people’s capacity to exercise freely or visit loved ones, and creating a significant secondary public health risk as people have no option but to relieve themselves in the open, a Guardian survey and investigation has found.

With reports of bushes in city parks stinking of urine, and human excrement in sand dunes, readers across Britain have described their anxiety, distress and frustration as public toilet closures – coupled with the absence of alternatives in bars, restaurants and public buildings – curtails their daily movements.

This is especially the case for women, who are taking extreme measures such as deliberately dehydrating themselves or find they are confined to home during their period. A pregnant woman from London told how she developed a urinary tract infection after being unable to find a toilet on a trip to Hyde Park. For those with health conditions and disabilities that bring continence problems, the situation is even worse: some describe themselves as essentially housebound. Key workers and volunteers making lengthy round trips to deliver essentials are likewise affected.

As some public facilities start to reopen, a chaotic picture emerges with local officials struggling to balance exponential demand with public safety and without clear guidance from government. Public facilities have been badly neglected or shut in recent decades, and the remaining network is under huge pressure to quickly adapt often older buildings that are not easy to modify for distancing requirements or new technology like sensor taps.

While Scotland’s national parks have called for urgent guidance on reopening public toilets safely and consistently, local councillors for beaches and beauty spots across England have expressed frustration at Boris Johnson for encouraging people to drive significant distances, but not providing specific guidelines on reopening toilets or support to upgrade to ensure safety of residents and visitors

John Saunders, the mayor of Windemere and Bowness, Cumbria
We are desperate for advice and assistance. Our local toilets are used by up to 350,000 visitors each year, but there’s been very little information from larger councils or government apart from ‘wash your hands’.

We’ve had an influx of visitors but there are so many difficulties that for now we only have plans to open the disabled toilets as these are individual cubicles. We’re really worried that public toilets could be a very serious problem that will spread the covid virus around again.

There are funding problems but the main thing is health and safety. Cubicles need to be cleaned, potentially after every visit, which means the toilets being closed for 15 minutes every time somebody leaves. Hand-dryers have to remain off because if someone doesn’t wash properly they can spray infected water everywhere. There’s no way we’re going to satisfy the millions who come in August, especially if more people are staying in the UK for their summer holidays

Emily, Leith, north Edinburgh
I live by the shore, a heavily populated area with lots of pubs and bars. Some are now operating as ‘takeaways’, selling draught beer in large four-pint milk jugs and attracting large numbers of customers on sunny days.

Fair enough, but none of these establishments are able to open their bathroom facilities, and with no public toilets open anywhere nearby, people are relieving themselves down the quiet residential side streets, including the street where I live. In just one hour on Saturday evening, I counted over 25 men pee against the side of my house.

I feel conflicted, as I am glad these smaller local businesses have been able to find a way to continue functioning during this tricky time, but this is deeply unpleasant. With pubs potentially not reopening indoor spaces until later, it could be a long hot stinking summer

Sam Griffin, Wirral
I do feel the loo lockdown is discriminatory. I understand why they have done it, but throughout lockdown the needs of disabled people have been overlooked and ignored.

The assumption now seems to be that people going out to beaches and parks will be able-bodied and continent. I enjoy visiting the coastline and country, but I have continence issues and public loos are are still closed in Wirral, so there’s no chance for me of anything but a brief five-minute look at the sea. I have a radar key but that’s useless if disabled toilets are bolted.

Access to toilets, including standard ones - is generally awful, but lockdown has made going out impossible. I think there is a perception that ‘not being able to hold it’ is infant-like and pathetic, rather than a serious need. So it isn’t taken seriously by people who’ve never had to plan their day around where the toilets are.

Marie, London
I’ve had to use the bushes and hidden corners, which is really embarrassing. Holding it in is also physically painful and not good for your urinary tract, but I’ve had to suffer for hours, since there aren’t many places you can squat in privacy in the city.

In some parks, certain bushes end up as designated loos with a queue to use them. It’s depressing – they are littered with discarded tissues and nowhere to wash your hands, which feels really strange given all the advice.

I live in a small flat with no garden, so I need to be outdoors to keep my sanity. When I go outside I basically have to purposefully dehydrate myself, which feels awful and is not healthy, especially on sunny days

MummyGoingItAlone · 10/06/2020 21:49

I have very active Crohn’s disease so can’t currently go anywhere. It’s rubbish

ALongHardWinter · 10/06/2020 21:57

I started a thread about this earlier today! It is a real concern of mine as I would like to start going out again in the next week or so,but I am reliably informed that the public toilets in the shopping centre nearest to me are are closed,and when coffee shops start reopening (take away only I believe) they are keeping their toilets closed. I don't have a particularly weak bladder,but the thought of going out for 3 or 4 hours,probably drinking a coffee and knowing that there are no toilets available means that I can't even consider it!

LakieLady · 10/06/2020 22:11

They're talking about reopening pubs where drinkers can sit outside. I hope the drinkers will be able to use the toilets, too! I need a pee for every pint, so if there are no lavs, there really won't be any point in me going to the pub.

Maybe we should all start emailing our MPs to enlist their support to get public toilets reopened. Exercise the collective power of Mumsnet.

PicsInRed · 10/06/2020 22:43

Perhaps someone should point out to Boris and Rishi that a great deal of the family budget is spent by women, and that supplies simply won't be procured if women cannot go out? And that will fuck the economy?

Fun fact, public toilets for women were pioneered by Selfridges, to enable women to stay and shop longer. Others then followed suit.

Tldr: Women don't matter, but the economy does, so toilets will be open soon.

PamDenick · 10/06/2020 22:50

Yes, let Boris and Rishi know.

But please please also let Daniel Radcliffe know. He thinks that women don’t have any exclusive biology.

namechange0202 · 10/06/2020 22:56

Another who is virtually housebound - bladder is very very small (50ml) and rely on catheters . Can’t go anywhere just now and presumably not for a very, very long time . Absolute nightmare .

Studycast · 10/06/2020 23:07

Biggest danger of virus transfer is saliva and urine. That's why toilets are closed

Could you post your source for this please Waveysnail?

Khione · 10/06/2020 23:29

They close public loos they take the consequences.

I rarely need to wee whilst out (except in a pub) but if someone needs to go - they need to go.

Holothane · 10/06/2020 23:37

Today has been dreadful for me nipping every 20 minutes or so for a couple of hours, so outings are out for a long time.

blubberyboo · 10/06/2020 23:46

It’s disgusting that councils and service stations have closed toilets. And it’s all so that they can furlough their staff.
This has been a widespread issue for our thousands of lorry and delivery drivers .. that wonderful group of key workers of course ...whom we all relied upon throughout this shitstorm to keep our shelves stocked and deliveries to our doors.
But how many were oblivious to the problem that they can’t get to use a toilet in their place of work which is everywhere!!! Many drivers don’t get to go home at night and spend days or all week in their cabs. Of course they need to take a piss and a dump several times a day. Female lorry drivers are a bigger army now and they are often of menstruating age... but they find signs on doors at warehouses etc saying “ toilets closed to external drivers for staff use only “
So they have had to piss a hedge with no running water to do what?? You guessed it..WASH THEIR HANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FECKING PANDEMIC!!!

Ironically they were the people getting toilet roll to the supermarkets and then weren’t allowed to use the bloody toilet!! You couldn’t make it up.
They even had to campaign public health to remind distribution centres of their legal obligation to let drivers use toilets. Public health said there was no health reason to deny driver access to toilets and they in fact encouraged it so that they could get to wash their hands.
Unfortunately lorry drivers are one of the least appreciated professions in this country and the pandemic has proven that to the driving community

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