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Is it just white people who object to the protests?

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malificent7 · 09/06/2020 11:41

I am white...i support the protests...several of my white friends are horrified by them. Are any non whites against them and if so why?
Aibu to feel that the incensed are scared of loosing their white priveledge or feelings of supremacy?

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Supermum29 · 09/06/2020 14:41

I am white. I support the message behind the protests, I don’t doubt that sadly people are still subjected to racism, in this day and age it’s abhorrent. However what I do not agree with is violence and crime erupting at protests. Want to protest peacefully, fill your boots.

TheVanguardSix · 09/06/2020 14:43

I support the movement but not the protesting because of the risk of COVID and because of the risk of the movement’s proactive voice being drowned out by reactive violence.

20Everything · 09/06/2020 14:44

@WhenAllsSaidandDone @isitfridayyet1 100% 👏🏼

WitteringOn · 09/06/2020 14:48

If there's an uptick of Covid cases in a couple of weeks it would have been blamed on Dominic Cummings, now it'll probably be blamed on the protests. This has probably got Bojo off the hook a bit.

DeeCeeCherry · 09/06/2020 14:48

I'm black and don't know anyone who doesn't support protests. We aren't one big homogeneous mass. Some black posters will be against, some will not. So what? Do all white people agree on everything?

Human rights abuse against black people is a cause worth fighting for. We are more at risk of Covid via manning the front at your hospitals and care homes, funnily enough you're not campaigning for better care of us there. We can do our own risk assessments just as we do in day-to-day life. Your faux hand-wringing about Covid will make no difference, nor will implications that anyone has the right to tell us when and how to protest.

Nobody listened during years of peaceful protesting. Police violence has led to uprising, now all of a sudden people have a lot to say. Peace protest was ignored. So, here we are today.

There are going to be many threads attempting to discredit BLM and goad black posters. We are mostly wise to it however much it's re-titled and re-worded. & apart from a comment or 2 - maybe - don't much care. The real world is rising up against racial injustice everywhere. It's great to see, and its what matters

TheSandman · 09/06/2020 14:49

but absolutely no excuse for violence and vandalism

So those people who smashed down the Berlin Wall were wrong?

SistemaAddict · 09/06/2020 14:52

A protest that is not socially distanced about anything during a pandemic is inadvisable. Violence and vandalism is never ok. Most people protested peacefully but many did not, people were hurt and the risk of a rise in coronavirus cases among the BAMe community is huge but apparently being concerned about that is white privileged according to another thread.

Tohaveandtohold · 09/06/2020 14:52

I’m black and I support the protest and what idea behind it however I hate violence and I already knew this is what will happen. There will always be a few people who are out to sabotage people’s efforts and that’s what people will see. 2 wrongs don’t make a right is what we’ve been taught and I’m not in support of them burning down places, looting and the whole giving the police a bad name.
I didn’t go out to protest and wouldn’t mainly because it’s unpredictable and I don’t want to be seen in a place where people are being violent to the police or be accidentally seen where people are looting.

DeeCeeCherry · 09/06/2020 14:56

Currently doing the rounds and part of a feelgood factor that's rendering petty, goady racist microaggressions pretty much meaningless right now in terms of what matters. Black Brown & White allies standing up all over the world against racism. 2020 will be unforgettable in more ways than one

So what has protesting accomplished?

👉🏾Within 10 days of sustained protests:
Minneapolis bans use of choke holds.

👉🏾Charges are upgraded against Officer Chauvin, and his accomplices are arrested and charged.

👉🏾Dallas adopts a "duty to intervene" rule that requires officers to stop other cops who are engaging in inappropriate use of force.

👉🏾New Jersey’s attorney general said the state will update its use-of-force guidelines for the first time in two decades.

👉🏾In Maryland, a bipartisan work group of state lawmakers announced a police reform work group.

👉🏾Los Angeles City Council introduces motion to reduce LAPD’s $1.8 billion operating budget.

👉🏾MBTA in Boston agrees to stop using public buses to transport police officers to protests.

👉🏾Police brutality captured on cameras leads to near-immediate suspensions and firings of officers in several cities (i.e., Buffalo, Ft. Lauderdale).

👉🏾Monuments celebrating confederates are removed in cities in Virginia, Alabama, and other states.

👉🏾Street in front of the White House is renamed "Black Lives Matter Plaza.”
Military forces begin to withdraw from D.C.

Then, there's all the other stuff that's hard to measure:

💓The really difficult public and private conversations that are happening about race and privilege.

💓The realizations some white people are coming to about racism and the role of policing in this country.

💓The self-reflection.

💓The internal battles exploding within organizations over issues that have been simmering or ignored for a long time. Some organizations will end as a result, others will be forever changed or replaced with something stronger and fairer.

Globally:

🌎 Protests against racial inequality sparked by the police killing of George Floyd are taking place all over the world.

🌎 Rallies and memorials have been held in cities across Europe, as well as in Mexico, Canada, Brazil, Australia, and New Zealand.

🌎 As the US contends with its second week of protests, issues of racism, police brutality, and oppression have been brought to light across the globe.

🌎 People all over the world understand that their own fights for human rights, for equality and fairness, will become so much more difficult to win if we are going to lose America as the place where 'I have a dream' is a real and universal political program," Wolfgang Ischinger, a former German ambassador to the US, told the New Yorker.

🌎 In France, protesters marched holding signs that said "I can't breathe" to signify both the words of Floyd, and the last words of Adama Traoré, a 24-year-old black man who was subdued by police officers and gasped the sentence before he died outside Paris in 2016.

🌎 Cities across Europe have come together after the death of George Floyd:

✊🏽 In Amsterdam, an estimated 10,000 people filled the Dam square on Monday, holding signs and shouting popular chants like "Black lives matter," and "No justice, no peace."

✊🏽 In Germany, people gathered in multiple locations throughout Berlin to demand justice for Floyd and fight against police brutality.

✊🏾 A mural dedicated to Floyd was also spray-painted on a stretch of wall in Berlin that once divided the German capital during the Cold War.

✊🏿 In Ireland, protesters held a peaceful demonstration outside of Belfast City Hall, and others gathered outside of the US embassy in Dublin.

✊🏿In Italy, protesters gathered and marched with signs that said "Stop killing black people," "Say his name," and "We will not be silent."

✊🏾 In Spain, people gathered to march and hold up signs throughout Barcelona and Madrid.

✊🏾 In Athens, Greece, protesters took to the streets to collectively hold up a sign that read "I can't breathe."

✊🏾 In Brussels, protesters were seen sitting in a peaceful demonstration in front of an opera house in the center of the city.

✊🏾In Denmark, protesters were heard chanting "No justice, no peace!" throughout the streets of Copenhagen, while others gathered outside the US embassy.

✊🏾 In Canada, protesters were also grieving for Regis Korchinski-Paquet, a 29-year-old black woman who died on Wednesday after falling from her balcony during a police investigation at her building.

✊🏾 And in New Zealand, roughly 2,000 people marched to the US embassy in Auckland, chanting and carrying signs demanding justice.

💐 Memorials have been built for Floyd around the world, too. In Mexico City, portraits of him were hung outside the US embassy with roses, candles, and signs.

💐 In Poland, candles and flowers were laid out next to photos of Floyd outside the US consulate.

💐 And in Syria, two artists created a mural depicting Floyd in the northwestern town of Binnish, "on a wall destroyed by military planes."

SistemaAddict · 09/06/2020 14:57

your hospitals and care homes,

The hospitals are everyone's surely? Are there no white people on the hospital front line? Pretty sure most of the front line at my hospital is white. Or it was when I worked there. Do they not matter?

Mittens030869 · 09/06/2020 15:01

* If there's an uptick of Covid cases in a couple of weeks it would have been blamed on Dominic Cummings, now it'll probably be blamed on the protests. This has probably got Bojo off the hook a bit.*

Sadly this is the reality. It will be the protesters who are blamed. It stinks but it’s how the right wing press will present it.

TheVanguardSix · 09/06/2020 15:02

So those people who smashed down the Berlin Wall were wrong?

Apples and oranges. Can’t compare. It was a wall of oppression which was coming down anyway as one regime fell and a country united. Nobody went at it with a Santander bike. The Hoff did perform live though, which is so white it gives me the bends.

20Everything · 09/06/2020 15:03

@DeeCeeCherry thank you for sharing that list. Hope people on this thread give it a read 😊 x

WhenAllsSaidandDone · 09/06/2020 15:04

@DeeCeeCherry Powerful and humbling! Flowers

WhenAllsSaidandDone · 09/06/2020 15:05

Meant to write "Thank you for the list" first.

Mittens030869 · 09/06/2020 15:08

DeeCeeCherry* Thank you for sharing this. It’s very positive to see the impact around the world, hopefully it will lead to genuine change.

TheSandman · 09/06/2020 15:13

@TheVanguardSix

So those people who smashed down the Berlin Wall were wrong?

Apples and oranges. Can’t compare. It was a wall of oppression which was coming down anyway as one regime fell and a country united. Nobody went at it with a Santander bike. The Hoff did perform live though, which is so white it gives me the bends.

So there IS an excuse for violence and vandalism.
BovaryX · 09/06/2020 15:15

outraged" about this (I'm looking at you, Ms Patel) cheered when statues of Lenin, Marx, and Stalin were pulled from their plinths.

TheSandman

Who wouldn't cheer at the fall of Stalin's statue? The UK is a democracy. Not a totalitarian communist state. Are you comparing living in 21st century Britain with living in 1950s East Berlin? Or Gdansk? Those chucking missiles at cops don't give a damn about George Floyd. Or David Dorn. Whose name they haven't heard. Priti Patel, who knows more about racism than some of the white thugs throwing flares, gave a great speech yesterday. I am not white and I agree with her.

Ms Patel said in the Commons yesterday: “Some protesters regrettably turned to violence and abusive behaviour. This hooliganism is utterly indefensible. The criminals responsible for these unlawful and reckless acts are betraying the very cause they purport to serve. These protests are about injustice. But by attacking our courageous police they are acting in a wholly unjust way.” She added that the protests were illegal under legislation to stop the spread of coronavirus

isitfridayyet1 · 09/06/2020 15:25

@DeeCeeCherry your posts are fantastic. I'm so glad so much has been achieved. The topic has not been discussed so passionately since Nelson Mandela being freed from prison! And that's years and years ago!
Even if the posters on here who don't agree, they are talking about it and that is a start.

20Everything · 09/06/2020 15:32

@BovaryX -

Do you think the black Bristolians who had to walk past the statue of Edward Colston everyday, and had all their attempts to have it removed through the proper channels thwarted, felt like they were living in a fair democracy?

ippr.org/read/political-inequality-why-british-democracy-must-be-reformed-and-revitalised#

MiddleMonth · 09/06/2020 15:45

You have absolutely no idea what the majority of people are thinking. You can speculate and formulate presumptions to fit your narrative, but nothing more.

BovaryX · 09/06/2020 15:45

@20Everything

Can you define 'fair' democracy?

BovaryX · 09/06/2020 15:51

Meanwhile, there is this:

Organisers of the Black Lives Matter protest have distanced themselves from the incident and said it had nothing to do with them. They plan to make a fuller statement tomorrow. Police have now launched an investigation into criminal damage

shamalidacdak · 09/06/2020 15:54

Yes

SistemaAddict · 09/06/2020 15:55

That's good. The criminal aspect will not help the cause at all so I'm glad they have distanced themselves.

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