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Asking for a handhold please, fetal abnormalities very scared

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Tigger85 · 09/06/2020 10:35

Hi

I am 21 weeks pregnant with a little boy, a much wanted and loved little boy that took 3 fresh rounds and two frozen rounds of IVF to conceive. I have a 2 year old Ds also from IVF who had congenital brain abnormalities that were discovered at the 20 week scan, we were pressured to terminate him throughout the pregnancy and were mostly given doom and gloom but he has ended up being a happy healthy boy with normal development. I also had a miscarriage following a successful frozen round of IVF last year. I had PND after my son was born and although the depression side of that has now gone I still struggle with the anxiety side of it but it's usually fairly well controlled. I came off my medication in November ready for IVF as I didn't want anything to affect the IVF or development of the baby if it was successful. The little boy I am carrying now was conceived on our last attempt at IVF as we have run out of funds a d racked up debts.

There have been problems from the beginning of this pregnancy with two heavy bleeds that both went on for 6 hours with bright red blood at weeks 5 and 6. I thought I was miscarrying but baby was there with a string heart beat on the early scans. I was alot more sick this time round and couldn't keep anything down apart from eating tiny amounts of cereals at regular intervals and small frequent sips of water. I couldn't keep the prenatal tablets down and my anxiety went haywire thinking this would cause defects on baby's development, I lost 7lbs due to not being able to eat, the sickness didn't go until almost 15 weeks. I was convinced I would see my baby dead at the 12 week scan but there he was alive and very wiggly on the screen. I felt movements from 14 weeks but they stopped completely from weeks 17-19 and I expected my baby was dead again but thankfully I felt him again towards the end of week 19. I started to struggle with anxiety and panic attacks leading up to the 20 week scan due to my experience last time with my son's brain abnormalities, not helped by the fact I had to go to a hospital an hour away for the scan and my partner could not come due to covid. The sonographer did check the brain first for me and it was normal so I allowed myself to relax. I had to go for a walk to try to move baby as they were lying on their front so she couldn't get a good look at his organs, at the end of the scan she said she's sorry she can't see the stomach and can't check the heart anatomy due to babies position and there is a problem with one of babies kidneys, either cysts or a block. She did a refferal to fetal medicine and I was sent home with no further explanation. When this happened with my son's abnormality I was taken to a private room until we were able to speak to a doctor who explained what was found and what tests would happen. This time told basically nothing and sent home. My partner rang up the doctor from fetal medicine that we had last time to see if he would have us again, we are in Wales and this doctor is in England so a different trust, he agreed and told us who to ring in Wales to request a refferal. They agreed to do this but I would need another scan in Wales first so they could give the doctor in England some more information to go off.

I had the second scan yesterday at 21 weeks, again alone as partners not allowed and at another hospital around 40 mins away. The good news was that one kidney is fine and she thinks the problem with the other kidney is caused by a block causing backflow of urine into the affected kidney, this can be corrected after birth and is potentially less of an issue than the other potential diagnosis. The bad news is that she can't see the stomach again so baby might not have one, but the amniotic fluid levels are normal and she can see baby swallowing suggesting that there is something there somewhere. She said if there is no stomach usually there is too much fluid as everything just passed straight through the baby and sometimes there is low/no fluid as the baby cant make any fluid. She said it's unusual to not see the stomach on two ultrasounds in a row but maybe baby has just happened to empty their stomach on both scans. Evenore worrying she said baby possibly has something called transposition of the great arteries, this is when the aorta and pulmonary arteries are on the wrong side and baby needs surgery soon after birth or they will die. I ended up having a panic attack but they were kind and let me stay until I got it back under control, I had another panic attack in the car and had to stay in the car park for another hour until I was in a fit enough state to slowly make my way home. They did send the refferals off straight away and my partner called the hospital in England and managed to arrange appointments with the same doctor from before who we trust for Friday, we also have an appointment with cardiology on the same day. I spoke to my gp about going back onto my medication because I am struggling to keep the panic under control and keep having panic attacks, but the medication can case heart defects in pregnancy so it's not safe, although that is more for first trimester, third trimester it can cause withdrawal and I don't want to hurt my baby any further so I don't know what to do. Worried the suicidal and invasive thoughts are going to comeback and I will be mentally broken by the time I have this baby, that's if the baby is even going to be viable. I haven't been able to sleep at all, I feel utterly drained and exhausted and I'm struggling to keep it together for my little boy. He is a sweet and sensitive boy and i know he is picking up on it but I can't help it. I'm really scared about friday, I have s terrible feeling that they are going to give us really bad news and I will have to pick between a termination and letting things happen naturally and maybe having a few minutes or hours with our son before he dies. I'm sorry for the long lost I'm just scared and have no one to talk to other than my partner.

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HelmutShmacker · 12/06/2020 20:16

Fuck. I don't have any advice, I just wanted to send you some love Flowers

Crunchymum · 12/06/2020 20:17

Blimey OP, that is a hell of a lot to take in.... you've explained things very well but obviously there is so much that is unknown and so much you probably haven't been able to absorb / process.

I'm glad you are being seen so often. I know it can't control the outcome but it can at least help you know what is going on.

My DC3 was diagnosed at 11 days with a rare genetic condition (nothing similar to your son's condition and hasn't needed surgery etc) but I'm still reeling 2.5 years later.

It's not what we expected or imagined and our lives are now entwined with consultants / multi disciplinary teams / appointments / physio / other therapies.

We cope, we manage, our DC3 is an absolute delight..... please just take it easy, get through each day and keep as positive as you can.

Xxx

Crunchymum · 12/06/2020 20:19

We spent a bit of time in NICU too, and I have never met such inspirational, dedicated, kind and sincere people. From the cleaners to the registrar's. You'll be in the best hands x

Robs20 · 12/06/2020 20:47

After everything you have already been through, you must feel totally overwhelmed. I don’t have experience of the specific issues you mention, but, my dd1 had a long list of health issues. All together they were overwhelming but when we looked at them individually we were able to cope so I would really encourage you to do this, and think about each issue which they have said is fixable.

In a recent pregnancy I was told that twin 1 may not survive and I had weekly FMU checks along with multiple fetal cardic scans and an mri. We didn’t know until the day they were born whether they would be healthy or not.

I would also really urge to to ask for MH support. I was under the mental health midwife and my consultant asked me at every appt how I was feeling/ encouraged me to go on antidepressants if needed (there are some that are safe in pregnancy).

Legoandloldolls · 12/06/2020 22:59

Wow that's a lot to take in all at once. But if you chunk each issue out it's all fixable, not to diminish the severity at all.

My boys have a rare genetic condition. Its unique so no syndrome name. It's scary at first but diagnosis aside, it's just how each condition effects them. The genetics becomes less important as you understand the needs.

Idontbelieveit12 · 12/06/2020 23:06

Flowers lots of love to you xxx

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Zoeyclash · 13/06/2020 03:57

I just wanted to wish you the best of luck for the rest of your pregnancy. I hope your little boy will be ok.

belfasteast · 13/06/2020 04:38

So much to take in OP, but you sound remarkably positive about it all, your baby is very lucky to have you Flowers

TheTiaraManager · 14/06/2020 08:36

You sound incredibly strong. Just wanted to say I'm thinking of you Thanks

Tigger85 · 22/06/2020 10:04

Had another app with cardiology and fetal med and we did misunderstand them about Ethan's potential life expectancy last time, but they won't answer the question at all, they will only talk about the body systems they specialise in not the overall picture which makes it really hard to know what is the right thing to do. Cardiology did another full scan and said he does not have pulmonary stenosis at this point so slightly better than they thought last week. They don't know where exactly one vein returning to the heart is going, if it's to the wrong side it will need moving. Blood doesn't return to his heart in the normal veins, it comes back from an alternative route and do those veins are larger than Inna normal person. Atm were looking at potentially one heart surgery either very shortly after birth if a vein needs moving or at 4 months if the hole between his ventricles does not shrink. The biggest problem is his bowels, they simply do not know how many potential abnormalities there are and I'm not sure if they will know until hrs born or we tfmr and they do an autopsy. They are pretty certain there is a block in the oesophagus but do not know where, they are pretty sure there is a blockage in the lower bowel but not how high up, either imperforate anus or anal-rectal atresia, they don't know if his intestines will be twisted or not. They do not know if he has a spleen or lots of little spleens or if it's on the correct side of his body. The liver seems to be in the correct place so that's good. I think we are looking at a minimum of 2-3 bowel surgeries pretty much immediately, all which have a risk of needing to be repeated. They will try to get a paediatric bowel surgeon to speak with us soon. They did an amnio on Friday and our bloods and sent them to great ormands street for advanced testing. I got the feeling I was annoying them asking so many questions, probably because they were running late anyway and I was taking up alot of their time. I appreciate they have other people in equally dire situations to see and they see these things day in day out, but it's our life and were being asked to make the biggest and worst decision of our lives very soon and I don't know how we can be expected to do that without being given as full a picture of our little boys quality of life, life expectancy and risk as possible. I know my partner wants to continue and he wants me to keep waiting to see if anything gets better but I don't think it's fair of him to ask me to wait until the third trimester before making a decision. It's not him that will be signing our little Ethan's death warrent, it's not him that will have that needle pushed into his body and then getting induced, it's not him that then has to labour to give birth to his dead son who is so desperately wanted and loved. I feel so sick all the time, I don't want to kill my baby but I don't want to force him into a short life where he only knows pain and suffering. I don't know what is right anymore and it's already affecting our living son, he keeps saying he is sorry mummy stop crying, he thinks he is why we are so upset and is becoming clingy and also destructive.

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HelmutShmacker · 22/06/2020 10:16

I can't begin to fathom how truly awful this must be for you. Sending loads of love and hugs to you FlowersFlowersFlowers

laurelhedge · 22/06/2020 10:30

No advice, but I want to say how sad I am for the awful dilemma you face. Maybe the hospital have a pre birth counselling team you can talk to? Thanks

babysnowman · 22/06/2020 10:38

How incredibly difficult, don't know what to say except sending you love xx

MaryTeenOfScots · 22/06/2020 10:55

I'm so sorry to hear what you're going through OP. I was born with a fistula between my trachea and oesophagus (tracheo-oesophageal fistula) and my oesophagus was in two sections which overlapped. It sounds like your baby may have something similar? I had my first surgery when I was a few days old and a second at a few weeks old and have been completely fine since - no ongoing issues at all.

I don't have experience with the other issues your baby has but I'll be thinking of you and your family. And don't worry about asking the doctors questions, you are totally justified in wanting information about your baby's health.

BuddhaBelly · 22/06/2020 23:19

A friend of mine had some abnormalities at her 20 week scan, they highlighted issues with the bowel that would need immediate surgery, they were also concerned that there was a bone issue where they were growing disproportionately. Her waters broke at 28 weeks last week and baby was delivered by emergency CS and although he only weighs 2.2lbs he is absolutely perfect! They now believe it was issues with her placenta that was causing problems??? Now I'm not saying you'll have a miracle too or to try and downplay your lo's issues, just more info to maybe help with your horrendously difficult decision.

CholesterolLolz · 22/06/2020 23:40

Sending love and strength to you OP x

lymphopenia · 22/06/2020 23:55

I'm so sorry you're going through this right now. I can't imagine how you feel and you're in my thoughts and prayers that this all works out Thanks you sound so strong and your two DS' are lucky to have such a loving mummy

Gracelau · 15/07/2020 05:19

Hi there!
This is my first time posting so hope I'm doing it right and putting it in the right place (sorry if I haven't Blush) So this is my first pregnancy, husband and I were on an IVF waiting list so the fact we conceived naturally was amazing. I am 24 weeks pregnant and had found out our little boy has moderate ventriculomelagy (14mm) been referred to fetal medicine who are great ..most recent scan has shown up a small cerebellum. We have already done an amniocentesis which came back normal and have an MRI scan in 2weeks.
Out most recent scan has also shown there is a problem with the great vessels in the heart so we have been referred to a heart specialist .
Has anyone else experienced any of these?I've been trying to stay as positive as possible but with the most recent possible heart issue added in I'm so nervous xx

Tigger85 · 15/07/2020 10:32

@Gracelau

Hi there! This is my first time posting so hope I'm doing it right and putting it in the right place (sorry if I haven't Blush) So this is my first pregnancy, husband and I were on an IVF waiting list so the fact we conceived naturally was amazing. I am 24 weeks pregnant and had found out our little boy has moderate ventriculomelagy (14mm) been referred to fetal medicine who are great ..most recent scan has shown up a small cerebellum. We have already done an amniocentesis which came back normal and have an MRI scan in 2weeks. Out most recent scan has also shown there is a problem with the great vessels in the heart so we have been referred to a heart specialist . Has anyone else experienced any of these?I've been trying to stay as positive as possible but with the most recent possible heart issue added in I'm so nervous xx
This is my personal post about my baby. To get specific responses to your situation you would need to make your own post, aibu has more people looking through it so you are likely to get responses. There is a specific sub forum for antenatal tests in the becoming a parent chat. I am not mad at you posting here by accident though. As it happens my first son had ventriculomegaly of 15mm which was detected at the 20 week scan and self resolved by 27 weeks. He had no problem with his cerebellum but was missing his csp. He has been a happy healthy boy with normal development. My youngest son had no brain issues but multiple heart defects but did not have transposition of the great arteries but some veins were in the wrong place due to isomerism. He has passed away and was born sleeping on the 13th July. There is a very supportive ventriculomegaly group on Facebook that I highly recommend joining, they have been a great comfort to us. Hopefully you will have a better idea of what's going on with your baby's heart soon, I wish you and your baby the best of luck xx
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babysnowman · 15/07/2020 11:01

@Tigger85 I'm so sorry to hear about your son, I have been thinking about you since your first post. I wish you lots of love and strength Thanks xx

Gracelau · 15/07/2020 12:17

Oh I am so so sorry for your loss, I cannot even imagine the pain you must feel. You are in my thoughts XXX
Thankyou for taking the time to respond to me it is greatly appreciated xxx

Fanthorpe · 15/07/2020 12:27

Tigger85 I’m so sorry for the loss of your son, you’ve had the cruelest if journies, from being alone in your scans, through all the information you’ve had to process, the final awful loss.

There’s nothing I can say to offer you any comfort I know, but I’ve read all you’ve written and you are suffering terribly. Love to you and your family. 💐

BellaBellaBelle · 15/07/2020 12:36

@Tigger85 I am so sorry to hear about your son. Life can be unimaginably cruel sometimes. Sending you and your family strength and love.

bumbleymummy · 15/07/2020 12:36

@Tigger85 So sorry to read about the loss of your little boy. ❤️