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To feel emotional at the slave trader statue

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Millicent10 · 07/06/2020 16:58

being pulled down earlier.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305

This says so much and the symbolism of throwing it in the river is such a suitable ending. Reminds everyone what happened to so many slaves.

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LightenUpSummer · 08/06/2020 18:35

I think some people (honestly I'm not thinking of anyone in particular) are "objecting" to this as a wind up. Like the way people (men) sometimes wind up feminists for a laugh.

It's indefensible to have a statue like that still standing. And an hilarious testament to bureaucracy that apparently the council had agreed to alter it years ago but have been arguing about the wording. Monty Pythonesque

SandyY2K · 08/06/2020 18:37

It was a great symbolic moment when the statue was pulled down. No words could describe how it felt. Brilliant

Downton57 · 08/06/2020 18:38

@user1479588581 Why would the buildings need to be torn down? Change their names so they no longer celebrate Edward Colston, who had thousands of people, including small children, forcibly and violently removed from their homes, torn from their families, thrown into the holds of ships, branded on the chest and sold in markets. Imagine those people's agony and terror. Imagine it was happening to you, and then tell me again how that man deserves a statue.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/06/2020 18:39

...do we also condone tearing down all the other things in that city that have connotations to that slave owner. The school for example, the stones in the church...where does it end

Can you really not see the difference between a statue, which is to remember and admire someone, and buildings?

If it was there because of its historical significance. Then why didn't they have one of Hitler to rub salt in our wounds

Exactly, this was asked upthread and never got answered - going by some logic on here, surely a Hitler statue would be fine?

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/06/2020 18:41

Why would the buildings need to be torn down? Change their names so they no longer celebrate Edward Colston, who had thousands of people, including small children, forcibly and violently removed from their homes, torn from their families, thrown into the holds of ships, branded on the chest and sold in markets. Imagine those people's agony and terror. Imagine it was happening to you, and then tell me again how that man deserves a statue.

Well said

SandyY2K · 08/06/2020 18:43

whole chains of slaves were thrown overboard to drown I feel the statue ending up in the harbour is very symbolic.

💯%

It's in the best place now.

Devilinatwinset · 08/06/2020 18:43

I think Marvin Rees, mayor of Bristol, says it best. He has said that what happened to the statue is now part of its history & the history of Bristol. He also called out Priti PRATel over her reaction.
"I think the home secretary is showing a lack of understanding of where the country is right now.

"I would love to hear some outrage about the 25% of kids in my city who live in poverty, the growing inequality, the deaths in custody both here and in the United States, the militarisation of US streets, the Windrush scandal."

news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-protests-slave-trader-statue-was-an-affront-says-bristol-mayor-as-he-reveals-what-will-happen-to-it-now-12002703

user1479588581 · 08/06/2020 18:52

I completely agree with you.

MacBlank · 08/06/2020 18:52

FFS

Ed was more than just a slave trader. He made more money doing other stuff. All his money is what built Bristol.

2 of its top schools, the suspension bridge, hospitals, universities, plus.lots lots more.

He spent just 11 years as a trader. They also say he would have lost more ships hands than the slaves.

All this was almost 300 years ago, and after (for whatever reason) he stopped doing the slave trade, he put his money into building Bristol.

People act like all he ever did, was the slave trade. What he did was transport slaves from Bristol to America's. They were already here (so to speak).

The slave trade was a nasty part of history, that should never be forgotten. Ironically, with his statue gone from his plinth, it's not going to be talked about so much. Cos there won't be the statue to start people thinking and talking about what happened back then.

It was a sad part of Britain's history, that many major players at them time were involved in, including several kings.

His statue was vandalised and disgracefully thrown into the harbour, by people jumping on the march.

I saw this post and had hoped it was a Bristolian saddened by what happened, like so many people in the city. Sadly, it's another person jumping on the bandwagon, and not knowing much about the whole.pereon.

Crummyfunnymummy · 08/06/2020 18:56

Colston school did change its name a few years back.

No need to tear it down!

MacBlank · 08/06/2020 18:56

Do you know who sold the slaves, and captured them to be sold?

Other African tribes. That's who started it. If youre going to play the emotional card, at least look into the history fully and tell the whole story.

Crummyfunnymummy · 08/06/2020 18:58

Is there a Hitler Avenue anywhere????

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/06/2020 18:58

His statue was vandalised and disgracefully thrown into the harbour

I think it was quite a fitting end seeing as that's what happened to so many slaves - being thrown into the sea.
Also, black lives and rights are a bandwagon? Is that what you're saying?
Wow if so.

Leontine · 08/06/2020 18:58

^Being a slave trader negates anything ‘good’ a person has done. And you say 11 years as if it’s nothing! ANYTHING is too much! Are you for real?!?!

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/06/2020 19:01

Is there a Hitler Avenue anywhere????

Don't think anyone's ever gonna answer that one, been asked a few times why there's no Hitler statue, or streets/buildings named after him.
Hitler probably did good things for Germany at one point, going by some mindsets on here he should have a statue too!
If not, have a think why not?

Crummyfunnymummy · 08/06/2020 19:03

He was a slave trader. Other people were involved in the slave trade also.
We do not need a statue of a slave trader in Bristol. It is offensive to the people who live here, both black and white. It’s wonderful that it’s now where it belongs. It’s wonderful its removal has attracted people’s attention and we are talking about this. He may have “built Bristol” but with money made from trading, amongst other “things”, slaves. People. He sold people. He kept them in awful conditions. Children died. Thousands. It is a part of history and we should acknowledge it in its context but we do not need to honour a man who killed thousands of children.

Crummyfunnymummy · 08/06/2020 19:04

But it was only 11 years, right?!!

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/06/2020 19:05

Do you know who sold the slaves, and captured them to be sold?
Other African tribes*
So what if so? So if they did "start it" why does that cancel out what he did?
"Well they were doing it first so blame them, not us?" That's seriously your argument?

That's who started it
"Well they started it!" is primary school level of someone doing something wrong, not grown ass adults, surely?!

category12 · 08/06/2020 19:05

Do we have their statues up, MacBlank?

Imissmoominmama · 08/06/2020 19:05

I think they should leave it in the river (fenced off to protect boats etc) as a tribute to that proud moment in history when people decided once and for all, that to leave it up was a disgrace.

Freddie28 · 08/06/2020 19:06

I am totally against slavery, but he was part of history, the plaque could have been changed to make it more relevant to the 21st century, explaining the good, the bad and the ugly.

It is criminal damage at the end of the day. Imagine what would happen if Nelson Mandela's statue was removed i the same way, to some he was a terrorist, regardless of the amazing work he went on to do.

Freddie28 · 08/06/2020 19:11

@AlexandPea

Better to let the statue stand as a focus for education about the past. Airbrushing history has never turned out well.
well said.
EmbarrassedUser · 08/06/2020 19:12

Personally I’m disgusted at the vandalism and how those people behaved. Whilst I’m not condoning Edward Colston’s role in the slave trade, he was also a well known philanthropist and businessman. To me, the statue stood as a monument to him as everything he did, good as well as bad, and reminded us that we should never go back to the bad times. We can’t rewrite history but we also shouldn’t forget it. What we can do however is make each future day a better one for generations to come.

amoobaa · 08/06/2020 19:13

@Rowantree2020 “I think it’s completely wrong to have the statue. I just don’t think it’s for groups of protesters to rip stuff down because that’s a slippery slope. It’s for the council to take it down following the normal democratic process.”

Yeah, the normal democratic process is clearly working very well, with regards to systemic racism. What planet are you on?

The council refused to take it down.

Following ‘the normal democratic process’, the council did not take it down.

Change was needed then and it is still needed now.

Do you remember the Suffragettes? They damaged property and smashed things up because democracy refused woman basic rights.

Would you have told them to pipe down and ‘follow the democratic process’ Too?

woodhill · 08/06/2020 19:20

On one show now

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