Annoyed with schools with big classrooms only allowing 8 in a bubble

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Government guidelines clearly say primary school dc are not expected to social distance so bubbles of 15 instead (16 in pre school). Why are loads of schools deciding to have half this number? This basically prevents any other year groups any chance of returning.

Our local primary have done this so I know how big the classrooms are, neighbouring school is smaller but bubbles of 15?!?

The guidelines say you can’t necessarily expect them to stick to social distancing but you have to provide the space for that to happen.

My DCs schools have 10 in each bubble. The middle school does expect them to socially distance and have given parents warning any child who cannot/will not/does not will be excluded. The first school has said they don't expect children to remember to socially distance but need to provide enough space to try and stay 2m apart so once the classroom was portioned out into 2m spaces they only had room for 10.

YABU. You clearly have no idea of the other operational issues that they will be considering. If they could, they would.

What constructive advice do you have to give to schools then OP? Do you have any ideas that they could implement? Have you discussed it with them?

Here we go again ... What age are the children?
EYFS advice is bubbles of 8.
So sick of the constant criticisms

My DC has 8-10 kids in their bubble. I just put it down to most parents don’t need a school place at the moment. The other year groups wouldn’t be able to go back until Borris says OP and I suspect they will observe to see how many outbreaks of COVID they have within the schools before doing so.
Also don’t forget they still need to get the rest of the kids back into school from R, Y1 and Y6 before bringing all the other years groups back.

This is a modern primary with large classrooms. Each classroom has a sink and a door to outside. They could have 15 children without a doubt.

Do you work in a school?

If not, what is your job?

It’s guidelines not the law!!!

The schools don’t have to share the reasoning with you!

They can’t bring back year 6 as all classrooms full of bubbles of 8 with 2 teachers per bubble.
Government guidelines are 15 dc primary and 16 dc eyfs.
There’s definitely a demand, many pissed off parents.

Schools responded is they’re following guidelines. From who though because they’re not the government guidelines.

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This is a modern primary with large classrooms. Each classroom has a sink and a door to outside. They could have 15 children without a doubt.

If it is a modern day school then the classrooms will be smaller thanks to gove reducing require classroom size for all years and increasing the class size

The school will have done a comprehensive risk assessment and this will be the result.

Schools here (North West) are being advised to stay closed because of the R rate being over 1

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Schools responded is they’re following guidelines. From who though because they’re not the government guidelines.

Which of the 50 + variations of the DfE guidlines are you/they reading

Because clearly schools are full of workshy teachers who cba to do the job they're paid for or follow government guidelines, couldn't possibly be because they have read carefully all 40+ revisions to the guidance that have been issued and are doing their absolute utmost to keep staff and pupils as safe as possible ffs

I work in a school our classrooms vary in size depending on whether they are part of the original school or various extensions.
The largest classrooms would hold 23 at 2m distance the smallest only 7.
We have gone with max group of 15 but allocated classroom based on group size ( varying parent demand) meaning nursery are now in yr 5's room.
I can imagine schools making the decision to limit sizes to keep classes in their familiar rooms.

That’s how it appears especially since the smaller school in the next village have managed to get the three year groups back in groups of 15. How can their interpretation of the guidelines be so different?

Basically schools have been given 2 conflicting pieces of guidance.
X amount of children per bubble.
Space in the room that theoretically all children can be 2m apart.
They're just doing what they can with the space they have.

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That’s how it appears especially since the smaller school in the next village have managed to get the three year groups back in groups of 15. How can their interpretation of the guidelines be so different?

They have different sized classrooms? More outside space?

They will be following the guidelines by doing a risk assessment and then coming to their decision. Unless you’ve read their risk assessment, you really aren’t in any position to tell them they’re doing it wrong.

They can’t bring back year 6 as all classrooms full of bubbles of 8 with 2 teachers per bubble

2 teachers per bubble-really?

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Do you work in a school?

If not, what is your job?

How can their interpretation of the guidelines be so different?
What did the school respond to your question?

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Government guidelines clearly say primary school dc are not expected to social distance so bubbles of 15 instead
Absolute nonsense, the guidance actually says whilst it is difficult to expect children to socially distance "Where settings can keep children and young people in those small groups 2 metres away from each other, they should do so."
Your school IS following the guidance to protect the children and staff. The guidance states 15 children MAXIMUM, not that they should have 15. Try going and reading the guidance properly before moaning with incorrect facts.