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Holiday Covid 19 risks.... have I overreacted?

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ILovesPeanuts · 05/06/2020 18:56

I have NC'd for this but have used this name before about the same family.
So....I have a very long standing close friend called Lisa (not her real name), and she is married to Gary. They have a DS - Damien, aged 13. Damien is extremely rude, unpleasant, goes out of his way to disrupt or ruin events or arrangements and can be dangerous. Parents very lax and it has made me consider the friendship. Anyway, Damien started behaving a little better at the end of last year, which was a relief as we have a holiday booked with them for this July. We live an hour away from each other but we've seen them regularly (but not since lockdown) and all is well. We were all excited about the holiday and then Covid 19 happened so it was doubtful. It now looks likely it will happen - it is glamping at a very secluded campsite/farm in England, that only takes very limited numbers. Facilities are shared such as showers and toilets, but essentially we and Damien's family have our own field, and our tents will be alongside each other. We are likely to be the first visitors as the site is hoping it will open at the start of school holidays.
I have, in the past, suffered significant health issues - Lisa knows this because we were house sharing during one of them, before we met our DHs. I am not in a shielding category, but I am in a high risk category. My GP has told me I should take great care, and I am, and Lisa and Gary know this. I quite like rules anyway, and I and DH work from home, my DC are off school anyway (age 12 and 13) as their years haven't gone back, and I mostly get a supermarket delivery with a trip to the shops once every couple of weeks.
I was speaking with Lisa a few days ago, and we were optimistic that the holiday will go ahead, and I said how lucky we were to have booked such a safe holiday and if it wasn't such a quiet and secluded site I wouldn't have been able to go.
At that point Lisa said in light of what I'd said, she wanted to be honest with me. She said they are not following the government Covid 19 rules. Damien is allowed out when he wants, and is visiting multiple friends, indoors and out. Gary is also seeing friends and having close contact due to a shared sport that they are doing (that really they should not be doing). They live in a hot spot for the virus.
I said that with the best will in the world, on holiday the DC will inevitably get up close to each other, and want to be in and out of each other's tents and doing things together. Whilst the adults can socially distance, the DC will forget and anyway Damien hasn't been socially distancing at all, and apparently thinks it's stupid. He's the sort of child that would cough on you deliberately for a reaction.
I said to Lisa that I felt the holiday might become quite stressful if I am constantly watching what the DC are up to, and I wondered if they would be willing to follow govt rules (not shield, but stop mixing with people indoors) in the 2 weeks before we go to keep the risk low. Lisa made noises that it was something to think about, but ultimately a few days later told me, No, she would not force rules on her family that they don't want to follow.
Lisa is very honest, she wouldn't lie, but she said she hadn't told me they were not rule following as she knows people might judge them for it, but she's told me now, as it's relevant, and it is up to me if I still wish to holiday with them. I hadn't given thought as to whether they were rule following or not, simply because I thought the holiday wouldn't be happening anyway until recently and I assumed they were.
So, the issue was, I either accept the risk, and holiday with them, or one of us cancels.
I feel quite hurt to be put in this position, but I have said that I can't take those sort of risks. I haven't taken an approach of removing all risks, but I have taken every sensible precaution I can, and followed rules to minimise my risk in light of my health. The upshot is that Lisa has said she will back out of the holiday, and try to get their money back - it is a site my family have been to several times and we know the owners, whereas Lisa and Gary have never been.
It has worked out ok - we have in fact found another family who will buy Lisa's place if the site opens, and I know for sure they are rule following.
How would you feel about the friendship?
Was I wrong to seek to inflict govt rules on them? if so - vote YABU.
Or for YANBU - were they wrong for wanting to come on holiday while not following any rules, thus exposing me and my family to the risks they are taking?

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Whitepriv · 05/06/2020 19:09

I think Lisa has done the right thing in telling you. It is selfish but at least she has allowed you to make an informed decision xx

Cutangle · 05/06/2020 19:13

I don’t think it’s one or the other. You asked her to follow the guidelines, she said they couldn’t do that and you came to a mutual arrangement. Tbh it sounds like it would have been a nightmare holiday with their son so things might have worked out in your favour anyway!

ILovesPeanuts · 05/06/2020 19:14

Yes that's very true, I do appreciate that from her.

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AFireInJuly · 05/06/2020 19:16

Could you maybe ask her if they would be willing to follow the rules, say, for the week before the holiday? If they are not showing symptoms by the time the holiday starts then they probably don't have it.

Halestorm · 05/06/2020 19:16

She told you and that was the right thing. Also her backing out of the holiday is in her favour. And she didn't get offended when you explained you'd be uncomfortable with trying to do the holiday.

It may very well be that she'd love to abide by the rules but is unable to make her son & husband also follow the rules so has given up - but knows you are vulnerable and let you know before their family would ruin your holiday.

Echobelly · 05/06/2020 19:19

I think she's done right by you and was obviously fully prepared for you to not want to go under the circumstances.

ILovesPeanuts · 05/06/2020 19:20

Halestorm yes I think you're right, she probably would follow the rules if she could, but DH and DS refuse.
I did suggest a week in the first place actually AFireinJuly as I forgot that people could be asymptomatic, but that was a No anyway.
I think we both feel it was a mutual decision, but I still felt sad that it came to this.

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AFireInJuly · 05/06/2020 19:26

I think it's pretty selfish to not even be willing to do it for a week. That, combined with the awful child, would make me end the friendship tbh. Time is precious - spend it with people who aren't a pain in the arse.

DDiva · 05/06/2020 19:36

I think she did the right thing being honest that they would not be following guidelines and you have both agreed on a change of plan.

It's sad but maybe think about another holiday in a year or two.

positivity123 · 05/06/2020 19:43

I think she is a really good friend.
She's been very honest with you, told you ok the risks and been willing to give up her holiday without being dramatic.

I would accept her offer of backing out the holiday and take other people but I'd also put concrete plans in place to meet up in the future.
I think her approach of being very honest about the risks she's been exposed to and allowing you to make the decision without you being out of pocket is ideal.
Also you haven't overreacted at all. You have to protect yourself so be as confident as she has been about being honest.

ILovesPeanuts · 05/06/2020 19:48

Thank you, yes we were ready to back out (and offered) but it was very good that they did instead. Just the risks we take don't anywhere near match!
We haven't fallen out but we could have if things had been handled differently.

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TheHighestSardine · 05/06/2020 19:51

She's been a decent friend. Her choice of DH and raising of DS less so. Sad for you all.

TheHighestSardine · 05/06/2020 19:51

Oh, and hell no you didn't overreact. Very sensible indeed.

Susue999 · 05/06/2020 19:56

What a lovely friend, definitely you should be very appreciative of her friendship and honesty.

NailsNeedDoing · 05/06/2020 20:01

I can’t go with either of your voting options.

How would I feel about the friendship - I’d think even more highly of my friend. She’s been honest with you and said that she will forfeit the holiday and possibly the money if you aren’t comfortable.

Lots of people are coming out of lockdown now, amongst people I know you’d be in a small minority for not being around other people, even social distancing people. It wouldn’t be reasonable for her to tell her family they can’t have contact with anyone else, I think she’s done the only thing she can do.

I could just as easily be in her position without having broken the rules technically. My job and essential visits for vulnerable people have put me in enough contact with others without wilfully breaking the guidelines.

Lucywilde · 05/06/2020 20:02

Personally I wouldn’t go. It doesn’t sound like her son is great to be around anyway. Yes holidays are important but you need to keep yourself as healthy as possible. I suppose her one saving grace is that she’s told you.

aLilNonnyMouse · 05/06/2020 20:08

Not voted as neither option seemed fair. You can't force them to follow the rules, and they are not wrong for wanting to go on the holiday. You are the one with restrictions and were given all the information you needed to make your own risk assessment on weather you wanted to go or not.

Whatever decision you make is down to how you feel about the risk you'd be taking yourself.

I'd much rather have all the information upfront like this rather than be blindsided once already there - so I'd be thankful to your friend for telling you.

ILovesPeanuts · 05/06/2020 20:16

Yes I am thankful she was so honest. I didn't expect them not to mix at all - I thought it'd just be outdoors as allowed. I hadn't realised they weren't doing any Social distancing and mixing indoors. They live in central London.
None of us foresaw what was coming when we booked last year. At least we have a good solution.

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ILovesPeanuts · 05/06/2020 20:32

Just to add - I would have shared any lost costs if it had come to that.
Lisa works in Reception at a school - in my vague thoughts I imagined they were probably social distancing because she has a 'bubble' of children to work with. Her job wasn't an issue for the holiday as her school breaks up 2 weeks before the holiday. Her DH is the same - teaching in a school that's just gone back but breaks up early as private.

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