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SorrySadDog · 05/06/2020 09:34

I need to gent this off my chest and I know that I will probably be shouted at and please don’t think that I feel it’s okay to feel this way.

I have two dogs, they are three years old. As a family we got a spaniel in June 2017, I love her so much. A month later we realised that we could probably have a second because my husband worked part time etc so someone was home most of the time. I saw an advert for someone wanting to rehome a 12 week old Sprocker Spaniel and I thought that was probably a better idea than getting another puppy, if you want to rehome a dog after only having it for a few weeks then you shouldn’t be a dog owner (the irony as you’ll find out).

I turned up and it was clear she wasn’t a spaniel, I couldn’t work out what she was but the lady said she had been sold to her as a sprocker from a woman’s with gun dogs. I really only wanted a spaniel however the conditions she was living in were not great. Her bowl was piled high with cheap food and she was living in a crate with a neon fluffy child’s cushion as a bed. There were puppy pads all over the place and she hadn’t taught her to go outside. The pads were used and not picked up. The dog was very timid. I felt awful for her so took her home with me and very quickly she became best friends with my spaniel. They brought a lot of joy to our lives and I loved them very much....and after a dna test it turned out she was half springer half border terrier.

Last year she started attacking my spaniel, she has established herself as leader of the pack and does a lot of things that are classically dominating. Urinating over where the spaniel has weed to cover her scent etc. She won’t let her go down stairs in front of her and sometimes waits at the bottom of the stairs and there can be a fight. She’s recently been spayed so I’m hoping that will help with that. She is an absolutely softie around people and even other dogs she’s intimidated by, she’s completely submissive. But she is so mean to my spaniel and I hate it. Over the past 8 months I have steadily grown to hate her. I’ve tried everything to sort the issue and I hate seeing my lively friendly spaniel cowering.

Also, they’ve always slept in the living room with the door shut, for the last couple of months terrier has taken to scratching and whining for hours as soon as the sun comes up and I am at the end of my tether. The second she makes any whining noise it’s like a red flag to a bull. I can categorically tell you that right now I despise her. But you don’t get a dog for Christmas, or three years in this case. You get a dog and you care for them for the rest of your life. But I don’t know how to get over this, how to stop her attacking my other dog and get her to fucking shut up in the morning. If those two things were solved, it would be fine. She’s sat at the foot of the stairs at the moment whining at me because I’ve closed the stair gate. I just can’t.

I’m sad and I’m upset that I could feel this way.

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SorrySadDog · 15/06/2020 07:51

Update:

So we got in touch with a behaviourist and had some discussions about reactive and possessive behaviour, eliminating the things that sometimes cause the aggression as well as spending one on one time with the dogs, keeping them apart and how they’re fine out of the house but clearly the house is territory for the terrier. She said that terriers are very territorial and this may not get resolved especially when I go back to work. The practicalities of keeping them apart during the short periods in out of the house might be impractical. Whilst I guess she should “want” our money she seemed to be leaning towards the idea of finding a suitable home for terrier, she said in her experience reducing territorial behaviour in terriers is really hard work. Additionally whilst on the phone, I had to dash outside because they had their first fight in a couple of weeks, the spaniel was limping afterwards and looks like terrier snagged her tear duct so we’ve cleaned that up. More blood than last time though.

Then, I was talking to a friend who mentioned that someone she knew was looking for a dog. That’s not uncommon “everyone” is looking for a dog these days. But......I drove up to see them with no expectations, sat in their back garden and met them all. And I have been crying ever since, I went to bed crying. They are an older couple with older kids, and a teenage daughter. They live in the country and they’ve always had rescue dogs. Their last dog was an old dog no one wanted from a rescue that they took home rather than send him back (they volunteer walked). And before that they had another rescue. They’re what you call “good people”. Whilst we were there, terrier was relaxed and happy. She wasn’t staring at spaniel (who wasn’t with me) and she was happily running around, tongue out, rolling in her back, licking everyone. The dad and daughter took her for a walk, she didn’t pull on the lead to keep in front of another dog, she did her usual territorial wee every 5 minutes but she had a great time. I watched her the whole time and she was just relaxed. Towards the end of our time there she just flopped at the dads feet and chilled out. She never does that here she’s always whining for attention because spaniel is taking it all.

Spaniel was at home with DP, who said she just chilled and wasn’t clambering over him trying to get all the attention. She just was calm.

I got home and I just started bawling my eyes out. It’s worse when you’ve seen what sort of life terrier could have when she’s an only dog, where she’s with people who can focus their attention on her. I don’t want to do it, the selfish part of me wants her to stay and we just keep battling this and work through it. But, she’s only 3 - she has the potential to be somewhere that she could be happier for the rest of her life. They said if I decided she could go live with them, that we would be welcome up any time and I believe that offer is genuine. In fact I recognised the dad from somewhere but we can’t work out how we know each other.

So I talked to DS8 last night and said that we need to decide what to do. He’s understandably utterly devastated, he loves her so much. But I explained we need to think about what is best for terrier and that is to have a happy in stressful life. I said we need to do the right thing for her, not for us. I explained we could still see her. I was trying to be the strong one but when he started crying, oh my goodness I think I howled and we both just sat there like in a movie holding each other weeping. And then he told me he understood she needs to be happy and it set me off again. I cried from 7pm to 11pm, DP didn’t know what to do so just left me to it Hmm

I think the reality of this, and please correct me if you think I am wrong - she could stay with us and she might never be truly happy. We could work on this and maybe get to a point where they can coexist. Or alternatively she could join this new lovely family (ah shit I’m off again!) and we could still see her and be part of her life. I think I know what the right decision by her is. I just don’t want to feel like I’m giving up.

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Casino218 · 15/06/2020 08:00

Interesting that you refer to her as 'the terrier.' We have a patterdale/ border cross that we adore. She's our only dog and gets on well with our cat. I think as people have said she's asserted dominance but that's what dogs do. I think stick to one dog as you are more interested in the engagement of the dog with family than letting them behave as dogs.

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Casino218 · 15/06/2020 08:04

Having read your last post I think your hearts in the right place. Give her over to the other family. As you say it sounds like she will be happy there. Don't beat yourself up. You tried.

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Loopyloopy · 15/06/2020 08:13

I think this is a situation where "a dog is for life" is damaging and has gone too far. Despite the best of intentions, this dog does not fit in your household and is causing your other dog misery. You have done the responsible thing and found a new home that suits her far better. Everyone, including both dogs, will be far happier if this dog goes to her new home.

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JimandWilson · 15/06/2020 08:15

Sounds like the right thing to let her go to the other family.
Hard as it is, it seems unlikely that you will get the issue resolved in your household. Heart breaking for your little one but also a learning experience in that sometimes the hardest decision is the right decision. Hopefully he will get updates / be able to visit the dog.
You've tried - be kind to yourself for making an important decision that's not easy.

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Veterinari · 15/06/2020 08:15

@SorrySadDog

It sounds like you've taken previous advice on board and direct rehoming to an appropriate family may well be the best outcome for everyone.

Ignore snarky comments - especially those like @Casino218 who are simply demonstrating their own lack of knowledge.

This situation sounds like it's creating chronic anxiety for you, spaniel and terrier. Good luck with rehoming - it sounds like it may be the best thing for everyone

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Casino218 · 15/06/2020 08:19

@Veterinari I hope you're not an actual vet because if so you seem quite condescending!

After 11 years with a terrier I think I've amassed quite a bit of knowledge thanks.

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vikingwife · 15/06/2020 08:32

Ok have 2 rescues terriers ! She sounds anxious... I would try following

  1. put her on clomicalm (puppy Prozac) as you’re at breaking point & she sounds like she has anxiety behaviours. Medication may really help her chill out & it can’t hurt to try. Will need at least 6 weeks to see any possible change though.

  2. come down hard on her displaying dominance. Force her to sit & wait while her sister has her turn. Make her sit & watch her sister eat first. Demand her obedience & politeness at all times. You are the boss! I know this can be hard & they test your patience. But She should not be allowed to be rude to her sister & she can & will be made to learn respect for all family members.

    Treat her like you would a child being a bully. I mean not exactly like a child but I have had to come down hard on my dog who was more abused & neglected. I think she overdominates due to her anxiety & need to feel in control.

    Make sure you have clear language like “No push” “sit & wait!”

    My dog now just knows that “sister’s turn” means she must sit & wait & not steal the toy & cause a fight. It has taken countless months of discipline & redirection for her to accept that she had no choice in the matter. She has brought me to tears with her disobedience at times!

    It’s true I was very soft on her & coddled her due to her previous abuse & neglect. She is now a very bossy dominant seeming dog, but I know it’s all a bluff & deep down she is extremely fearful & insecure.

    She now knows “uh uh!” Said sternly means basically stop whatever you are doing now 😂
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vikingwife · 15/06/2020 08:35

I meant to say, that every moment is an opportunity to reiterate your dominance & her submission. You should be able to put a bowl of food down & she will sit & wait, not touch it till you say “ok eat up!” . If you are struggling to get her to do this during meal times, she is running riot over you & this will be an underlying cause which relates to her behaviour. She should be relaxed in her position in the pack, but doesn’t sound like she is. She must know boss lady (ie you!) is in charge.

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harriethoyle · 15/06/2020 09:00

Honestly, OP, her new potential home sounds lovely and you could take your son to visit. I would rehome her.

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SorrySadDog · 15/06/2020 09:07

@Casino218

Having read your last post I think your hearts in the right place. Give her over to the other family. As you say it sounds like she will be happy there. Don't beat yourself up. You tried.

It’s awful I just never expected to be In This position. I’m not one to ever say that I did the best I could, because actually I don’t believe that. I believe I was wholly ignorant. I refer to them by breed rather than by name, and I thought if I called them doga and dogb it might get confusing.
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SorrySadDog · 15/06/2020 09:09

@harriethoyle

Honestly, OP, her new potential home sounds lovely and you could take your son to visit. I would rehome her.

I think one of the reasons I cried on the way home was because they were just adorable and they loved her instantly and she was happy and it broke my heart both in a good way and a bad way. Good way, I think it was a relief but bad way that they can give her a home I can’t? A peaceful happy one if that makes sense.

She knows I’m the boss, she will wait for a command to eat etc. But she’s always eyeing the spaniel (probably because the spaniel would eat both bowls of food...)
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motherheroic · 15/06/2020 11:05

The way people are clinging onto 'the terrier' is really annoying. It's a description. One is a spaniel one is a terrier mix. She clearly doesn't want to say their names so just uses their breed as a descriptor. Jesus.

That said. I think you should re-home her to the other family.

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Ihaventgottimeforthis · 15/06/2020 13:07

OP I think it sounds like you have found a very suitable home.

If it would lead to an instantly improved outcome for both your dogs, and the only downside is you and your DS feeling sad (which you are dealing with), then to me it's an easy decision.

Sometimes dogs just don't get on, and it can take a long time and lots of stress to simply get them to a place where they tolerate each other and can be mostly trusted around each other.

I say rehome her to the new family, with a proviso that you can stay in contact and if for any reason their circs change, the terrier comes back to you.

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SorrySadDog · 15/06/2020 13:10

@motherheroic

The way people are clinging onto 'the terrier' is really annoying. It's a description. One is a spaniel one is a terrier mix. She clearly doesn't want to say their names so just uses their breed as a descriptor. Jesus.

That said. I think you should re-home her to the other family.

Thanks, I didn't want to rise to everyone commenting on my use of "terrier" when I'm also refering to the "spaniel". Not everyone reads all of the thread so thats fine.

I think I've decided. They haven't pressured me or you know, asked if I've made a decision and I respect that. I am a total wreck again today but in the midst of my melodramatic sobbing I managed to explain to my other half that I'm probably crying because I know exactly what the right thing to do is and I've already started "grieving" for her. I think we will take her tomorrow, DS wants to come but I think its going to be absolutely awful for him when we leave their house. He looked at her during breakfast and just bawled his eyes out. But....his happiness shouldn't come at the cost of a dogs health. He will get over it during time, he will be able to see her, and he does understand. I just am really sad that I am causing him heartbreak. But its for the best and I am going to remain resolute. I'm going to miss her wonky nose and her love for tennis balls. I'm going to miss her ability to jump up a 3ft wall without exerting any effort. But I am happy that this family are going to be able to give her ALL the love she deserves and that is so important. ARGGHHH Thanks all x
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Vodkacranberryplease · 15/06/2020 13:15

Well I think the answer is obvious. You tried consulting a behaviourist who said they might be able to resolve it but they might not and it would take a lot.

Then you found an amazing home where she's happy and relaxed. Which is really not that easy! You have two happy dogs but only one lives with you.

I think go for it. It can be an uphill battle with terriers a bit as they are pretty strong willed but there are times they just seem to completely relax and it's easy. And that's what's happening with the other people.

It's sad good news.

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SorrySadDog · 15/06/2020 13:18

@Ihaventgottimeforthis

OP I think it sounds like you have found a very suitable home.

If it would lead to an instantly improved outcome for both your dogs, and the only downside is you and your DS feeling sad (which you are dealing with), then to me it's an easy decision.

Sometimes dogs just don't get on, and it can take a long time and lots of stress to simply get them to a place where they tolerate each other and can be mostly trusted around each other.

I say rehome her to the new family, with a proviso that you can stay in contact and if for any reason their circs change, the terrier comes back to you.

I've got to stop going on about how sad I am because, ultimately thats not the important thing. My DP doesn't cope well with me crying so I'm using Mumsnet as my outlet. Last night he just let me get on with it and this morning he clarified that he just does not know what to do with a weeping woman... silly man!
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Ihaventgottimeforthis · 15/06/2020 14:12

It's a sad situation but if you think you are doing the best thing (which I think rehoming to a known and suitable home is) then you've got reason to be happy as well - putting the welfare of the dogs before your personal feelings is the right choice.
I think it's a similar situation when people have to decide when to PTS - they keep pets hanging on way too long just because they don't want to deal with the sadness. We need to put animal welfare first, not our own emotions.

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Annelizza · 15/06/2020 14:14

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Vodkacranberryplease · 15/06/2020 14:31

Dogs are complicated OP. Like us they like some dogs and don't like others. Decide instantly ones a great friend and decide they don't like the look of another. Terriers are little beasts a little dominant (I love mine) and they don't always change their minds etc.

To get to actual physical fighting between the 2 is a pretty big deal. I've never seen mine do it - there's usually all the growling etc which is designed to ensure they don't fight.

So sad though it is.. it's the way it is. Another spaniel will probably fit right in. They are very different dogs.

Interestingly before she was speyed my terrier was a great fan of spaniel boys. Not a thing for her in terms of playing etc usually, but in season... 😮😮.

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dontdisturbmenow · 15/06/2020 14:38

Its a no brainer really! Take the opportunity given to you, everyone will be happier.

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Brigante9 · 15/06/2020 14:49

Crazy mix, spaniel and terrier. Thinking of gun dogs (I have 2), it may be that the annoying one needs a job. Trouble is, she won’t know if she should retrieve or shake something to death! Possibly see if the police are looking for a sniffer dog?

Littermate syndrome, I’m on the fence, on my 2nd pair of littermates. They are more bonded to us than to each other.

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Veterinari · 15/06/2020 16:06

@Veterinari I hope you're not an actual vet because if so you seem quite condescending!
After 11 years with a terrier I think I've amassed quite a bit of knowledge thanks.

@Casino218 I admire your confidence. I've had a vagina for 40-odd years but wouldn't consider myself a gynaecologist. Owning one dog definitely doesn't make you an expert on dog behaviour - Anyone who considers 'dominance' to be a current model of dog behaviour is about 50 years out of date. But to be honest lots of people make that error @vikingwife has too.

The condescension to you was deliberate as you clearly didn't read the full thread but still felt the need to slag off the OP whilst sharing your incorrect knowledge based on your 'experience'. Very kind of you.

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Veterinari · 15/06/2020 16:12

What most people refer to as training to assert dominance is actually basic impulse control training. It's bugger all to do with dominance or submission as static hierarchical relationships don't exist in dogs.

The terms dominance and submission are dangerous as they mislabel behaviours as shown by a pp he admits her 'dominant' dog is actually very anxious/fearful and simplify behaviour into a 'power struggle' encouraging the use of force, which has been shown to increase aggressive behaviours (because it increases fear.)

There's nothing about the OP's dog that suggests dominance. Just an anxious dog protecting resources that it is scared of losing.

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