Meghan speaks about racism

[DaisyChain31]

I was watching the news a few minutes a go and watched Meghan (Markle, Duchesss of Sussex), speaking about racism.

She has faced a lot of racism but she didn't mention her plight or go into it. It's palpable on Facebook for example. People saying things like she doesn't fit into the royal family, is she white or black, Harry should have married English rose Cressida because she's a better fit etc. All pretty disgusting to be honest. The latest is that her looks are being compared to Cressida's so it's a mix of underhanded racism, sexism and just nastiness really.

Do you think that Meghan deliberately never spoke about what she has faced because she doesn't think she faces the same issues that general citizens of the US and other countries around the world face? Because she is in a privileged position compared or others (security, respected by a lot of non racists etc).

Do you think that this issue, right now, should focus on racism that will lead to brutality which will most likely be experienced by non celebrities or do you think that it should focus on racism against black people over all, even though the racism is sometimes just words from trolls and idiots on social media? Words still hurt but I can see why Meghan would perhaps not want to try and liken herself to George Floyd for example as it's unlikely Meghan would ever find herself in the hands of police to do as they please.

Do you think black celebrities should speak up because their voices often reach further or do you think it might come across as insensitive to the general population of black people because celebrities are much less likely to experience racial police brutality for example?

Do you think that class is playing a major roll in all of this along with racism?

Meghan speaks a lot, but actually SAYS very little. Queen of Waffle and Princess of the Instagram soundbite.

No interest in what she has to say, tbh.

@SockYarn

Meghan speaks a lot, but actually SAYS very little. Queen of Waffle and Princess of the Instagram soundbite.

No interest in what she has to say, tbh.

It seemed like a decent speech actually. It didn't skate over current events and hit all the notes a speech at a school leaving do is supposed to, I think.

LydiaDusbyn

I heartily concur.

I too think she’s very false and insincere, manufactured almost, but that could be her acting background.
I think she went into Royal life thinking it’s all tiaras and being worshiped & adored.
I also greatly admire Michelle Obama.

• Meghan speaks a lot, but actually SAYS very little. Queen of Waffle and Princess of the Instagram soundbite.

No interest in what she has to say, tbh.*

Then why comment?

@Howmuchlongercanthislast

She has an insincere, false manner IMO. I'm certainly not alone in that perception.

I don't see that- could you have a cultural bias?

Do you perceive the same of Michelle Obama ?

This really makes no sense.

I'm not a fan of MM and I agree she does come across as insincere but then I saw her giving a speech at a school in Dagenham and she came across completely differently - she seemed so natural and as though we were seeing the real her. Maybe she was having to not be herself on other occasions and we were picking up on it.

I love Michelle Obama however and am quite sad that we haven't seen more of her since she's no longer First Lady.

I really don't see why we aren't allowed to say that we don't like a person of colour or that's e disagree something that they've done. Is that not just patronising?

I thought what she said was good, but there was one weird quote. Something about putting aside fear to care for someone whose needs are greater. Well someone actually could be afraid for a good reason, and it might not be a good idea to put that fear aside! That bit was a little glib.

I wish people would stop trying to play the victim card with nonsense like “not allowed.” Ffs who is “not allowing” you? Someone disagreeing with you isn’t “not allowing” you.

Posters who defend Meghan get subject to insane abuse and bullying, really really nasty pile-ons, even doxxed and harassed offline. It’s ten times worse if they are WOC. Several black or biracial posters have been bullied off MN completely just because the bashers won’t “allow” any positive opinions about her. That’s censorship. That’s abuse.

People politely expressing the opinion that it’s tone deaf to exploit a black man’s murder as an opportunity to slag off a biracial woman for the thousandth time are not censoring or abusing you, merely stating an opinion.

You’re just pitting women against each other there MarieIVan, which is hardly an improvement on whatever it is that you’re objecting to.

No: you are being wilfully disingenuous. As anyone who read my post can clearly see I've compared Markle against various Windsor family members of both sexes who have in common their lazy, profligate or reprehensible lifestyles. In doing so, I've concluded that Markle has been given a rougher ride than all of them. The Yorks, the Phillipses and Kate and William have all been given a free pass for precisely the same behaviour she's been excoriated for, and some have got away with far worse.

Reading. Comprehension.

I think it's good she spoke out. That's something the Royal family wouldn't have allowed her to do if she was still here, because it's too uncomfortable.

I hope that things change and George Floyd didn't die in vain.

Enough is enough.

@boredtotears11 well depends on how you define what a better life is. I dont define a better life centering on someone's finances as that can come and go and moneybdowsnt buy happiness. I base a better life being one where a person is truly happy

One of the issues with dismissing and laughing at privileged,rich ,powerful people when they speak against racism , is that it trickles down.

Yes it might just be words and threats because they're "untouchable " , but guess what? That becomes police killing black people because they're black, white men shooting down black men because they're black, prejudice, discrimination, attacks and abuse of the ones that are touchable.

If people felt comfortable enough to abuse and threaten the president of the US, MM , The first lady etc. you can bet they'll think nothing of attacking the black teen running down the road.

Having money or a certain position, does not make racial attacks against them ok, acceptable or less.

'The only wrong thing to say is nothing'

Well I think Trump has just disproved that statement Meghan!

We wouldn't want to confront readers with the true and unvarnished nature of casual British racism and make white people uncomfortable, would we?

Oh don’t be stupid. It’s about not giving it any more airtime and potentially upsetting anyone it targeted in the first place. A description would suffice.

The only wrong thing to say is nothing Did she say that Casino218?

This is where my dislike of her comes from, did she credit Dr. Jackson Avery for that? I have read or seen a few of her speeches and so many of them are plagiarisms and she doesn't give credit to the original author of the quotes. As an academic it's a pretty big deal to pass others thoughts or words off as your own and to take credit for them. Good that she spoke out though.

Hmmm not sure on the better life. Would I rather have people tear me to shreds on a daily basis, have debates about whether I'm white or black, have people dig up my past and make comments and dish out abuse, have people mock my child but have a lot of money and be able to travel via private jet and live in a massive house?

Or

Be left in peace, no one really knows who I am so never make comments, no one debates my skin colour (I'm white), no one mocks my child but live in a small house and travel economy...

Definitely the latter. I wouldn't swap lives with her. I don't think just because you're in the public eye it makes you fair game for abuse and name calling and certainly the racist comments are just way below the belt.

Just accept that even though she is privileged financially, she doesn't lead a privileged life in the sense that she'll never be left alone and never stop being given abuse. I do think part of it is because of her race. I don't care who disagrees. I have my opinion and you have yours

And now back pedalling Piers Morgan has come out to say listen to Meghan- trying to save his bigoted backside.

I have been adamant since day one that I am unsure about MM.

I don’t like the way she didn’t seem to want to follow Royal protocol. I have believed all the press about her.

I have had a long respectful and challenging exchange with a mixed race friend today and she has asked me to look at the press from now on and question if there is a racial undertone and to actually look for the facts about this lady, which I think is a fair thing to do.

Have I been swayed by the media into agreeing to dislike her?

We will see.

@MadameBee

I don’t like the way she didn’t seem to want to follow Royal protocol

What specific protocols?

Being a lovely wife, supporting her husband rather than seemingly just it all being about her and completely shoving him out of the way - it’s weird., she is in her position because of his position.

Thing is though, if you look at the specifics she really didn’t not obey protocol. More or less every single example of her allegedly ignoring protocol wound up to be a tabloid invention, and most of it was stuff that Kate and other royals did too. Some of the things the press claimed as protocol violations are things even the Queen has been photographed doing!

The media tormented Kate for years just for being middle class, and loads of the things they claimed about Kate (that she was rude, couldn’t keep staff, that the mass staff exodus from the Cambridge household was due to Kate being a nightmare, that she continually ignored protocol, that she dressed inappropriately, that the Queen hated her) are the same things they said about Meghan years later.

I think the media are absolutely responsible for the slow drip drip of poison colouring perceptions.

I don’t think ‘being a lovely wife’ can be described as protocol. It’s an interesting expectation though, that’s for sure. What does it even mean?

she has asked me to look at the press from now on and question if there is a racial undertone and to actually look for the facts about this lady, which I think is a fair thing to do.

I’m impressed by this though, that’s a great development.

Where did the reporting tone change with MM? Everyone was in love with her when she and Harry were engaged and got married, as far as I remember so what changed?

If as ChocolatelyAsFuck says, the press said the same things about Kate, how can it be racism towards MM?

It's very unpleasant, hurtful, bullying possibly but is it racist?

Everyone was in love with her when she and Harry were engaged and got married, as far as I remember so what changed?

The Daily Mail “Harry’s new girl is straight outta Compton” linking Meghan to gang violence in LA was before their wedding. Harry actually put out a formal statement criticising the press for making racial comments about her, also before the wedding.

The Daily Mail “Harry’s new girl is straight outta Compton” linking Meghan to gang violence in LA was before their wedding. Harry actually put out a formal statement criticising the press for making racial comments about her, also before the wedding.

As well as the BBC constantly mentioning her mother was descended from slaves before they married. Could have made it a drinking game for the amount of times it was mentioned, wouldn’t have been able to move afterwards though.