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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask paternal family for contribution?

27 replies

Oneforrover · 01/06/2020 14:50

My son is in his mid-20's and is a lovely lad, though has suffered from depression and addiction and found it difficult to settle down in life.

His dad left when he was 3 which caused a lot of my son's difficulties, as although he saw his dad he used to let him down endlessly and ended up offering him drugs when he was 15 (I know!).
My son went into rehab and has needed a lot of support over the last few years both emotionally & financially, which has come from me, my DP and my father, who is reasonably wealthy. My DP and I have been severely impacted financially through helping my son.

My son's dad has always been reluctant to pay maintenance and his paternal grandparents have rarely contributed, meaning the costs involved were heavily borne by us.

When I was short of money during the children's upbringing (daughter by same dad two years younger than son) their dad used to say "ask yer Dad" (sic). Of course I didn't but simply took on more work to cover the shortfall, however my dad was always generous and looked to buy winter coats, shoes, trips and holidays for the kids.

Finally however after paying out a considerable amount for rehab and my son's debts along with my DP and I, my father has said he is sick of being seen as the 'golden goose' and thinks the other side of the family need to contribute. He's actually really angry with they way they have shirked their responsibilities. I don't blame him and feel angry too.

We will probably get nothing but I want to prick their conscience/put it in black and white just how strongly we feel and how they have continually shirked their responsibilities (yet enjoyed the company of their grandchildren as I've always maintained contact). My dilemma is how to word this appropriately without demanding or sounding petulant, and laying out the facts. I need the expert MN'ers with their wisdom and impartiality!

So I guess my question is AIBU to expect a contribution from them?

OP posts:
UnfinishedSymphon · 01/06/2020 14:53

It's not your exes family's problem, your ex should have been paying maintenance not his family. Contact the CSA or whatever they are called now, I'm sure you can get any maintenance that wasn't paid backdated

AriettyHomily · 01/06/2020 14:55

It's not their problem legally. His dad should contribute.

FrodoTheDodo · 01/06/2020 14:58

Yes, I'm surprised you even asked. Especially as we're talking about a man in his mid 20s and not a child!

SimonJT · 01/06/2020 14:59

This is an adult in his 20’s, grandparents have zero responsibility to fund their grandchildren when they’re actually children, nevermind when they’re adults.

FrodoTheDodo · 01/06/2020 14:59

And to be fair. You and your family might want to think about whether continuing to pay for your adult sons debts and drug rehab is a good thing to do.

DC3dilemma · 01/06/2020 15:01

It was down to your ex.

Contributions from grandparents of any kind are not obligatory, and even in a family that has not split in this way you have no right to expect equal contributions from grandparents.

These things do cause bitterness, but the reality is that if your dad felt he would only be happy if his contribution was matched...well he shouldnt have contributed at all.

LightenUpSummer · 01/06/2020 15:20

I’m sorry for your situation, and I voted yanbu, but really it is just the dad’s responsibility rather than his family.

As a thought experiment though, I’ve often wondered how different society would be if an absent father’s family did have to contribute to his dc’s upbringings.

shinyredbus · 01/06/2020 15:23

It’s not their responsibility. 🤷🏻‍♀️

BumpBundle · 01/06/2020 15:38

YABU. You can't ask them to pay for a baby that they didn't make, especially when that baby is now an adult. You can pursue him for backpay of maintenance but really should have done that years and years ago.

MuddlingMackem · 01/06/2020 15:39

LightenUpSummer Mon 01-Jun-20 15:20:09
As a thought experiment though, I’ve often wondered how different society would be if an absent father’s family did have to contribute to his dc’s upbringings.

Oh, good heavens, yes.

I've voted YANBU as whilst I don't think the paternal grandparents are obliged to provide cash themselves, I do think that they have a moral responsibility towards their grandchildren to pressure their son to do right by his kids. They got their cake and ate it really.

cabbageking · 01/06/2020 15:39

They bear no responsibility sorry. They have not shirked anything.

The father has shirked his responsibility.

Equally paying off your sons debts might not be the best option. This was his responsibility and some sort of repayment scheme might have been helpful to him. But you were in a difficult situation where you just wanted the best for your son.

BumpBundle · 01/06/2020 15:39

@LightenUpSummer We would see a lot of crazy mothers controlling their adult son's relationships because they have a legal standing in the relationship. MILs are already invasive enough without giving them legal grounds to interfere!!

RainMustFall · 01/06/2020 15:41

Why did you not chase his father for maintenance instead of going to your DF? At what point does your son, an adult, have to take responsibility for his own actions?

highmarkingsnowbile · 01/06/2020 15:43

YABU

SleepingStandingUp · 01/06/2020 15:45

how strongly we feel and how they have continually shirked their responsibilities their father has shorties his responsibility. Grandparents have none. Yanbu to speak to his father about it but why should theist family pay for it unless you're blaming his parents for your ex using drugs but then by extension...

mrsm43s · 01/06/2020 15:56

Now your "children" are adults, no-one has legal responsibility to support them or help them financially, although as parents you and your ex may want to (or not as the case may be). Grandparents on either side should never have been expected by you or your ex to take any financial responsibility for your children.

Give your children the support that you want to give them, and let your ex make his own decisions about the support that he wants to give them. Don't keep running to your Dad for handouts!

Iseeareddoor · 01/06/2020 16:10

What are you looking for here? A lump cash sum, or monthly payment? How much would you consider reasonable? To be paid to you? To be paid to your son?

As other posters have said, they have not “shirked their responsibilities”. They have no financial responsibility to your children. It was you who chose to maintain contact with them. It was you who chose to not pursue your children’s father for maintenance. It was you who chose to pay off your son’s debts.

Your father’s anger is misplaced too.

Yes, it would have been nice if they could have helped you out when your children were little, but they didn’t. Your children are now adults. Perhaps your son could now start to support himself financially.

atilathehut · 01/06/2020 19:00
  1. Not the grandparents responsibility
  2. The kids are adults
ECBC · 01/06/2020 19:37

If not, why haven’t you done this before now? Your son is both his parents’ financial responsibility.

1Morewineplease · 01/06/2020 19:40

Ditto @atilathehut

StatisticalSense · 01/06/2020 19:41

@ECBC
An adult in their 20s is neither parents financial responsibility. If the OP wishes to continue to fund him that is her choice but you can't really expect an ex to at that stage.

heartsonacake · 01/06/2020 19:43

YABU. They bear no responsibility and it would be extremely cheeky of you to ask them for anything.

Your son is in his twenties; he should be supporting himself.

Cherrysoup · 01/06/2020 19:56

Time is past for any kind of maintenance. Your son should by now be self funding.

isadoradancing123 · 01/06/2020 20:05

He is in his 20 ‘s its certainly not his paternal grandparents or indeed any grandparents to help him

Iseeareddoor · 01/06/2020 20:19

If not, why haven’t you done this before now?

I think this might be the reason...

Finally however after paying out a considerable amount for rehab and my son's debts along with my DP and I, my father has said he is sick of being seen as the 'golden goose'

I think the OP has been quite happy to have her own father step in and financially support her children over the years and now that he has had enough of it, she is looking for someone else to take over, knowing full well that that person is not going to be her children’s father.

OP, your children are adults!