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AIBU?

To report this woman

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KangaFandanga · 31/05/2020 22:31

My husband and I took our kids to a local car park for some practice cycling. car park was mostly empty and we were there around an hour, both practicing with one kid each.

I half noticed a car arrive and park up a little while after we arrived. Didn't see the owners- was with wobbly 4 year old. 5 mins later I noticed the car doors were all open, and there was a little boy in the car. I assumed someone else was in the car with him.

About 10 mins after that, the boy started making some noises- animal type fun noises. I remember thinking that his parent must be one of the people over on the other side of the car park chatting. But another ten minutes later those people left and I saw the boy sort of hanging out of the car door sort of smiling and checking out what our kids were up to.

Dh and I mentioned this to each other at that stage as we passed each other by with our dc, wondering if we just couldn't see the boys adults, if he was ok etc. Assumed we should just keep out of it.

Around 10 mins later as we were starting to get ready to go, two ladies go over to the car and I realise it's the lady who runs a nursery my daughter used to go to for a while a few years ago.

The boy in the car was her son, who I remembered has additional needs. She lives around the corner from the car park but wouldn't have been able to see him from their home.

We waved and they drove off.

My husband feels strongly we should report her. He feels that not only did she leave her son in danger, but also because she is in a position of huge responsibility taking care of other people's kids, and her judgement is obviously totally off. Her nursery is run from a forest, so it's even more important that she is on the ball and aware of danger.

I suppose I feel the same, but I'm finding it hard to say yes to reporting her. She's lovely, passionate about what she does, and on one level I just don't feel she deserves to be reported to social services for what may have been a momentary lapse.

AIBU to pause before reporting this lady?

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curtainsforme · 01/06/2020 10:00

'Animal noises' indicates special needs to me.

Let's hope that's just a shitty opinion and you don't work with children. Additional needs or otherwise.

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KangaFandanga · 01/06/2020 10:00

@Hoggleludo we were concentrating on the kids and probably on the other side of the space, but it parked up a little while after we arrived. Didn't notice the driver or passenger at that point

@BankofNook thank you so much that's very helpful indeed

@ItsSpittingEverybodyIn well I was with my 4 year old on his balance bike walking next to him with baby in buggy but yes good point. There could easily be a busy body post from someone else about US getting in the way of cars with our small kids

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BankofNook · 01/06/2020 10:02

In my husbands mind what happened was extremely dangerous for the child.

It really wasn't. You haven't reached a point yet where you're letting your DC go out unsupervised and I think this is clouding your view. An 8/9 year old sitting unsupervised in a car is no big deal.

I have two children with SN. One I would not leave unsupervised in the car as I couldn't trust him not to fiddle on with stuff or wander off, the other I would (and have) left in the car unsupervised as he can be trusted to stay put and is happier there. Encouraging independence is an important part of building life skills

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borntohula · 01/06/2020 10:05

Ah bugger off curtains, I don't claim to be an expert but I have a DC with ASD and I know something about self stimulatory behaviours.

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BellaCiaoBellaCiaoBellaCiao · 01/06/2020 10:06

Then explain to your slightly dim husband that an 8 year old being left alone for a short period of time is basically a non-event. What is he, the Stasi?

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borntohula · 01/06/2020 10:08

Bella, surely that depends on the 8yo. 😂

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BellaCiaoBellaCiaoBellaCiao · 01/06/2020 10:09

I'd trust the mother's judgement on this.

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Hoggleludo · 01/06/2020 10:13

Yes. I’d report her.

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eaglejulesk · 01/06/2020 10:13

I think you should just leave it alone OP. Presumably the mother knows her own son and what he can be trusted to do. You and your DH could just as easily be judged for taking your DC to ride bikes in a car park.

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Glowcat · 01/06/2020 10:14

So you don’t know if it was this woman’s child, therefore you don’t know if the child has special needs so all you saw was an 8/9 year old sitting in a well aired car for 30 minutes. What exactly do you want to report?

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DidoLamenting · 01/06/2020 10:20

It is completely different to the various normal situations where a child won't have adult supervision.

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myusernamewastakenbyme · 01/06/2020 10:24

Mind your own business !!!

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lojoko · 01/06/2020 10:24

It's fine for a 9 year old to sit in a car on their own. Also fine for them to walk to school unaccompanied and play in the park with their friends.

It's totally fine!

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BankofNook · 01/06/2020 10:26

From the NSPCC guide on letting your child go out alone.

It's a parenting decision, this woman has done nothing wrong and it would be out of order for your husband to report her or phone her to have words. Total overreaction.

To report this woman
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FourPlasticRings · 01/06/2020 10:27

I would report, purely because it is not up to bystanders to decide whether there are mitigating circumstances or not. You report and leave the decision to someone who has the training and experience to make the judgement call. See something, say something.

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BankofNook · 01/06/2020 10:30

But they saw nothing.

A child old enough to be out unsupervised and sitting in a car, it's a parenting decision not a safeguarding issue.

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bruffin · 01/06/2020 10:34

Fourplastics
What is there to report, a 8/9 year old sitting in a car or the parents who think that a car park is a play ground for little ones to ride their bikes, as i said above even with the odd explanation of it was empty enough for bike riding, but dangerous if the kid got out of the car Confused , we could see if cars coming from a long distance, but nobody could see the boy unless they were in the carpark.

I find the bike riding in a car park more worrying than a child sitting in a car.

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thenamesarealltaken · 01/06/2020 10:35

You can leave a 9 year old for 20 minutes, as long as they are ok to be left, as he seemed to be. He might have special needs, but he might also be sensible and capable. I often let my 9/10 year old wait in the car. But it's different for every child. He might have had a way to lock the car if needed, you don't know the details. I thought you were asking about a 4 year old.
9 year olds walk home from school alone in my town as that's middle school age/end of year 5, when they become more independent.
Others might disagree of course!

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SandieCheeks · 01/06/2020 11:01

The child didn't leave the car though, so the mother's judgement was quite right Confused

Whereas you were letting small children ride bikes in a car park - I think it is your judgement that is off OP.

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NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 01/06/2020 11:09

AIBU to pause before reporting this lady?
It is clear from the posts on this thread that you do not know what the exact situation was. You do not know whether this was the son of the lady who worked at your child's nursery or if he was her friend's son.
You do not know if the "animal noises" were noises made by a child with SN or the sounds of a child playing and making animal noises.

Would you think it likely for her to leave her SN child in a car park around the corner from where she lives?

I was going to say I'd probably let it go because you cannot be sure of the circumstances but I've changed my mind whilst writing this. Minding your own business and not coming forward is how the deaths of Baby P (Peter Connolly) and Victoria Climbie came about. We are all morally responsible for helping to safeguard the vulnerable, whether they are children or adults. Please use your instincts and report this to Social Services. Just state facts and don't offer an opinion as to which of the women's sons it is.

If you are mistaken then hopefully (but it doesn't matter if they don't) their parents will understand you acted with the best of intentions. If you are correct, then you may have changed this lad's life for the better.

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BankofNook · 01/06/2020 11:15

There is literally nothing to report and comparing a child doing a perfectly normal activity related to parental choice (i.e., sitting in a car) is nothing at all like the failings in the Victoria Climbie or Peter Connolly cases.

OP could ring social service and "just state facts" but the facts here are that there was nothing to suggest the child is being neglected or mistreated.

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NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 01/06/2020 11:23

For those saying it's fine for a 9-year old to be in a car by himself, it probably is normal circumstances. However, what makes it dangerous is for him to be in the car with the doors wide open and to be out of sight of his parents. Why do you think they have child-proof locks on rear doors of cars?

What if he got out of the vehicle and went into the park leaving the car unattended? Would he have left the car doors open leaving it vulnerable to theft? He could have met other kids in the park and had non-socially distanced interaction with them. In this case he didn't, but what if he'd seen children he knew?

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rosecreakybex · 01/06/2020 11:26

No issue with 9 year old being left alone in a car

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borntohula · 01/06/2020 11:28

@NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite or what if he was approached by a dodgy stranger ?

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SandieCheeks · 01/06/2020 11:28

@NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite

For those saying it's fine for a 9-year old to be in a car by himself, it probably is normal circumstances. However, what makes it dangerous is for him to be in the car with the doors wide open and to be out of sight of his parents. Why do you think they have child-proof locks on rear doors of cars?

What if he got out of the vehicle and went into the park leaving the car unattended? Would he have left the car doors open leaving it vulnerable to theft? He could have met other kids in the park and had non-socially distanced interaction with them. In this case he didn't, but what if he'd seen children he knew?

But he didn't do any of those things, he stayed in the car.

I doubt the mum would have left him if he was likely to wander off.

It's fine and normal for older children to be out of sight of their parents. You know 9 year olds can play in the park, walk to school, go swimming without adults, right?

The doors were open because it's hot Confused No one would leave a 9 year old locked in a car they couldn't open anyway - child locks are only on rear doors and are designed to stop toddlers jumping out of moving vehicles.
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