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To move to Folkestone - tell me all!

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Putthedamnlidonit · 30/05/2020 20:14

Hi everyone,

We are considering a move to Folkestone from Portslade as the schools are better and we would like to get a bit more for our money. We have a budget of 700k max, have three children toddler -age 7. We are quite alternative and like the liberal feel of Brighton but can't afford a decent house and garden there. Have read through some awful threads about Folkestone but no recent ones. So, is it nice? Schools look excellent, are there plenty of things to do with kids, similar to Brighton and Portslade? We like where we live but are fed up of having a tiny garden. No need to commute to London anymore. Any advice much appreciated! Thanks!

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YouDirtyMare · 31/05/2020 19:56

Big social reggae on the beach parties too
Every age group welcome
A beach sauna? @Coulddowithanap

Noextremes2017 · 31/05/2020 20:01

Why stop at Folkstone - just keep going and move to France.

Hohohole · 31/05/2020 20:14

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-79986928.html
Buy this house.

Dumbie · 31/05/2020 20:32

If I had £700k in Kent, it would not be spent in Folkestone.

I grew up nearby, and it was not great. It has massively improved in recent years and quite pleasant to visit. Can't say I'd want to live within folkestone itself though. It's easy to get to from lots of places.

Look at Stelling Minnis and the villages nearby, the location is fab for folkestone, Canterbury and Ashford. The views are wonderful. People are so friendly. So near the coast, great bang for buck around there, and pretty sizeable houses and gardens.

Hythe is overpriced.

You could try the smeeth/Brabourne areas. Wye and surrounding is nice too. Charing, challock and surrounding. Lenham is nice.

I miss Kent. We will move back in 15 or so years. Its beautiful. So much to see and do. I'll be looking in all of those places that I've mentioned!

OhTheRoses · 31/05/2020 20:53

I moved from Kent coast to Brighton in 1978. University of Sussex. I thought Brighton was awful. Dreadful beach, messy town and poverty like nothing I had ever seen on Kent. I was horrified.

Coulddowithanap · 01/06/2020 00:09

@YouDirtyMare

Big social reggae on the beach parties too Every age group welcome A beach sauna? @Coulddowithanap
@YouDirtyMare yes It was a sauna in a horse box parked up on the beach!
MrsShelby · 01/06/2020 05:11

Another vote for Folkestone. I recommend the area to friends who are thinking about moving out of London. It has reasonable house prices, fast trains into London for work and offers a good quality of life.

@NemoRocksMyWorld and I must be neighbours or live pretty close to each other based on what she has described. The village is lovely and everyone is so friendly. We moved here from London 2 years ago and it has been one of the best decisions we ever made.

Rosehip10 · 01/06/2020 05:25

Rough town.

maddiemookins16mum · 01/06/2020 05:35

It’s a dump. There are far nicer places not too far away. Look at Hythe fir instance. That’s a huge budget for down here too.

TheClitterati · 01/06/2020 05:49

36 Audley Road, Folkestone, CT20
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-92256266.html

Needs decorating but has sea views

Helena Corniche, Sandgate, CT20
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-92167490.html

Herdson Road, Folkestone CT20 2PB
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-92451404.html

Sunnyside Road, Sandgate, Folkestone, CT20
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-83491253.html

Putthedamnlidonit · 01/06/2020 09:09

Thanks again for all the amazing replies, advice and suggestions, taking all on board. Interesting that there is a mixed/ split opinion on Folkestone - one of the reasons we want to leave this area is that Brighton is filthy and has a huge drug and alcohol problem, sounds like Folkestone doesn't fare much better in that respect. The house linked above on Herdson road is absolutely exactly what we would go for. Leaning towards Whitstable or v close to there perhaps - Tankerton might be a good fit as you can walk to the beach and town but seems like beautiful big houses, v pricey though! We are making plans to check out all the areas mentioned, so so helpful! Thanks again!

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YouDirtyMare · 01/06/2020 09:54

Have you thought about Dymchurch @Putthedamnlidonit you'll get more for your money, lots of larger houses and a glorious sandy beach

dontgobaconmyheart · 01/06/2020 10:31

I live in Kent and from East Sussex. To an extent OP, in Kent your huge budget will mean you would be unlikely to be anywhere near most of these problems residentially- but poverty does affect a lot of East Kent and it isn't particularly idyllic. I relocated solely because my budget isn't as big as yours and moving to Kent from East Sussex meant I could actually buy a house. If I could afford it I'd move back. You'd not think the two counties would be you'd different culturally etc but I find they are.

I would look at Eastbourne instead. It had a lot to offer. If you're set on Kent perhaps the likes of Tenterden, Rye. Traffic in and around Canterbury and Ashford are both appalling and I wouldn't want either as my nearest (and only) city/town.

BerthaBear · 01/06/2020 13:25

A lot of areas have been mentioned on this thread. I grew up in a Kent village near Folkestone/Hythe and have lived or worked in London, Hythe, Sandgate, Folkestone, Ashford, Whistable, Herne Bay and Deal. I now live in Canterbury since I need to be nearer to my mother, but I currently work in Folkestone and also rented there at one time. Disclaimer: I have not lived or worked in Broadstairs or Margate.

Take my views with a pinch of salt because everyone tends to say the town where they live is utterly fabulous and deny any issues, whilst apparently everywhere else is grim!

If you are interested in grammar schools, there is more pressure/competition for places the further west in the county you are. East Kent coastal towns (Deal, Broadstairs, Ramsgate, Margate, Dover, Folkestone) are the most isolated towns in Kent, and get significantly less applications from people who do not get into the local grammar school in their own town.

Deal – Nice town, by the sea, pebble beach. Schools vary. I found the commute is too long for a daily London commute.

Whistable – Good cafes, teashops, independent shops. Can be bleak in winter. Pebble beach. Daily commute to London is a bit of a slog at 1 hour 15 minutes. Some good schools. Doesn’t have any grammar schools in the town, which is problematic when the grammars are oversubscribed and places get decided on proximity to the actual school.

Herne Bay – Pebble beach. Can be bleak in winter. Schools vary. Less going on than a lot of other places. More pressure on grammar schools places than Thanet, Deal, Dover and Folkestone.

Broadstairs – Great beaches. Parking is a nightmare on sunny days and in the summer. Good places to eat. Some say it’s twee, but I like it and Morelli’s ice cream is fab.

Ashford – Large range of shops. Schools vary. I always had to stand on the high speed train to London (all the seats get taken before Ashford). Close to nice countryside but quite a drive to the sea. More pressure on grammar schools places than Thanet, Deal, Dover and Folkestone.

Hythe – Pebble beach, pretty, not on high speed train route. High street has no proper clothing shops (I don’t count the elderly unsexy nightie place as decent clothing), but you can get everything online these days so it’s not as important. Nice haberdashery shop. Sorry to say that there is quite a bit of small-mindedness. Some good schools. Doesn’t have any grammar schools in the town, which is problematic when the grammars are oversubscribed and places get decided on proximity to the actual school. My friend’s daughter didn’t get into Folkestone Girls Grammar after passing the 11 plus because she was 4 miles away – staggering really.

Sandgate – Pebble beach, pretty, by the sea, easy to get to Folkestone Leas Coastal Park from some parts of Sandgate. Has no primary or secondary schools. Some years it can be in a black hole for primary schools - too far for Seabrook Primary (which has a tiny intake) and too far for Sandgate Primary (which is actually located in Folkestone West End). No train station and can be a bit far (and very steep) to walk from Sandgate to the high speed train station in Folkestone.

Folkestone – People move here for the sea/beaches/Leas cliff top promenade, a selection of good schools (but some are not as good so watch catchments) and the high speed train. It used to be more gritty, but has improved hugely since 2009 and local billionaire Roger De Haan started pouring money into the town. Has two grammar schools. The Folkestone Leas Coastal Park/children’s playground is fab. Creative Quarter. Old High Street has good eateries/stalls, as does the Harbour Arm, however the Arm closes down completely in winter.

Canterbury – Great high street with shops and eateries. Good high speed train link. It’s a city so has the usual antisocial problems. Hard to live away from uni students – they are everywhere. Traffic is terrible! Overrun with tourists in the summer who are really annoying. However it’s a pretty city to see sights, history, etc. More pressure on grammar schools places than Thanet, Deal, Dover and Folkestone.

Kent villages (won’t say the two I have lived in because it is too outing) –Usually pretty, calm and quiet locations. Hard to avoid people as you will see the same people at school, brownies/scouts, in the village park and at village events (this is problematic when your children are school age as there is always a queen bee/school bully/busybody mum). Some people are very close-minded and there are a lot of busybodies in my experience. Locals can be very cliquey and disinterested in getting to know incomers. Grammar schools are in the main towns, which is problematic when grammar schools are oversubscribed and places get decided on proximity. Children usually travel by (slow) buses for secondary level, which really eats into their time for homework.

Margate –Nice beaches and some nice houses. Schools vary. Turner Contemporary Gallery is good (turnercontemporary.org/). It hasn’t improved as much as people originally hoped, but has definitely improved.

All these seaside towns can be windy at times in winter, but you don’t notice it after the first few months! All of the towns and villages listed above have a mix of social groups and a few social problems. Yes, there are also rougher areas in Deal, Hythe, Broadstairs, Sandgate, Herne Bay and Folkestone - anyone who denies this is telling fibs.

I haven’t seen a homeless person on the beach in Margate or any of these towns, although I often see campervans/motorhomes parked near the beaches. My children went to school with friends living in council/social housing – they were usually nice families on lower wages, e.g. supermarket workers, tradesmen, some not employed, even a trawler fisherman.

The only towns that are on the direct high speed train link and under an hour to London (if you need to commute) are Ashford, Folkestone and Canterbury (although latter is actually 1 hour 2 minutes if you are being pendantic). These towns are considered good investments due to the high speed train link bringing in a constant stream of London commuters relocating to Kent. The high speed trains get priority over the train tracks, so it is a very good and reliable service. Villages can stall with property prices if the sole village school falls in popularity – the Ofsted is not nearly as important as local knowledge.

You have asked specifically about Folkestone. The most affluent area is the West End – next to the seafront, walkable to the high speed train station (so can save on time, parking fees and hassles) and good schools. Much of the West End is/was owned by the Earl of Radnor Estate, but homes usually own their freehold, whilst having covenants to the Radnor Estate prohibiting houses being converted into businesses etc. A few apartment blocks in the West End have a private garden square, managed by the Earl of Radnor Estate.

Folkestone has some very good primary schools, although others are more average. There is also a boys grammar school and a girls grammar. However when the grammars are oversubscribed, places are allocated on distance, which is why people want to live as close to the grammars as possible. Some years are fine, but others years are much harder and I know children who unfortunately did not get a place even though they passed the test. The new secondary comprehensive is popular with parents. The west side of Folkestone is considered better than the East Cliff for schools.

Unlike some Kent coastal towns, Folkestone has plenty of jobs due to the Saga Group Headquarters (over 50s insurance and travel) and because it is home to Eurotunnel. The former Saga owner, billionaire Roger de Hann, has pumped a huge amount of money into Folkestone and continues to do so. The most significant thing to note that the regeneration is privately funded, and not dependent on the government.

Some people you meet would wear a ‘I Love Folkestone’ tshirt every day if they could, while others complain that its not as good as when it was in its heyday. Look up the ‘We Love Folkestone” facebook page (it has over 20,000 members, they can't all be wrong).

Sunny Sands is a sandy beach when the tide is out, the other beaches are pebble. Lots of properties on the roads off the Leas clifftop, where you can walk down to the beach via the Zig Zag Path, Metropole Steps, etc. Beach huts on the seafront too.

There is the Creative Quarter: www.creativefolkestone.org.uk/folkestone-creative-quarter/about/

Plus there are various arts and cultural events on all the time. The regular Folkestone Airshow is fab with the Red Arrows flying over – not many towns can claim such an event.

Folkestone has (by far) the biggest high street in the Folkestone/Hythe/New Romney area. Therefore people drive in from all the surrounding areas to use the high street, and so you will see a real mix of people there from all areas (not just Folkestoners).

Its a very basic high street – a very big Asda/George, Primark, Boots, WHS Smith/post office, TK Maxx, New Look, Superdrug, Sainsburys (but a second bigger one is elsewhere in Folkestone). Also Clarks Shoe Shop, Waterstones, Costa Coffee, Starbucks, Wilkinson, The Works, Oxfam Book Store an independent butcher, an independent curtain place (which looks old fashioned but stocks the usual designer brands and makes beautiful curtains), Argos, Iceland, small Italian ice cream place, McDonalds, KFC, an Art shop and so on. Its useful, not posh. Lots of independents just around the corner on the Old High Street. Elsewhere in the town are retail parks and other supermarkets, including a small M&S Foodhall if you lust after Percy Pigs.

Someone said about homeless people in Folkestone. Well I estimate you will always see at least 3 homeless people around the high street, probably due to the homeless charity that is located there. Charities have to go somewhere and they do a sterling job.

East Cliff has some social issues, but it feels safe enough when I have walked around there. However it is not an area where you would need to go to for anything unless you live there. IMO it is still nicer than some areas of London. I know people who have moved to Folkestone from Islington, Clapham, Canary Wharf and Surrey. They all appear to love it. Have you seen the Location Location episode where the couple moved from a beautiful Marylebone apartment to a huge period house near to Folkestone high street? Most towns in England looks grey on a miserable day, however seaside towns are glorious when the sunshine appears.

My best friend is of an ethnic minority and has lived in Folkestone for 16 years. She says she has only once overheard a racist comment (it was not directed at her). There is a significant Nepalese community in the Cheriton area of Folkestone, due to the Gurkha army regiment based in the town. The Nepalese are lovely, gentle people and most people love them and their food! I think their presence has meant that old time Folkestoners have realised that not being white anglo-saxon is not the be all and end all when judging people. Folkestone is more open to other cultures than some other towns.

Wow, I have written an essay, but it has kept me occupied during lockdown! Everything I have said are generalisations and my views and I do not wish to offend anyone living in any of these areas. Hope you find some of it useful.

Concernedaboutgran · 01/06/2020 14:51

Great post bertha.

Id just add that herdson road House is amazing and as its in Cheriton, very near the train station and the motorway. That little area has some beautiful houses. You can reach all the local amenities/towns from Cheriton, its a little suburb of folkestone and it has a lot of good primary schools, nice place to live.

Putthedamnlidonit · 01/06/2020 16:07

Massive thank you to BerthaBear (not sure how to do this directly!). Your post was incredibly helpful and so so much appreciated. Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a detailed response, v grateful. I know there has been a lot of scathing posts about Folkestone but it seems to also have a lot going for it and that house is the best I've seen in terms of space, location, price and garden size after extensive searching of all the areas mentioned on this thread. Thank you again!

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BerthaBear · 01/06/2020 17:07

You’re welcome. It’s a slow work shift and I, like everyone else in the country, can’t wait for things to return to normal. I have been Rightmoving (one of my hobbies when I am not busy!) Most of the good properties in Folkestone are under offer, but it could be worth registering your interest in case a sales fall through. Someone has already linked to this one – Earls Avenue is a beautiful road, have a look on the street view if you’re interested:
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-88113659.html

This one on Audley Road sold earlier this year. It was bought for 499K 2 years ago, fully renovated and sold this year for 792K. If you could get something similar unmodernised for 500K, you would have 200K left over to modernise property yourself:
www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=84646703&sale=90580593&country=england

These are above your budget, but good for a snoop. This is a gorgeous property with stunning sea views:
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68857845.html

This one is the main portion of a period house, modernised, its own indoor pool and has some sea views:
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-84157829.html

This period property has a tennis court and pool, however needs updating:
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-81606416.html

There was a beautiful house on Jointon Road last year that sold for around 600-650K. I think it was 14 Jointon Road, but the photos are no longer on Rightmove. It was a period house, newly modernised, huge rooms, period features and a fantastic finish. Something like that would be in your price range. Good luck.

Livebythecoast · 01/06/2020 17:21

@BerthaBear - wow! Fantastic post. Forgive me if I missed it but did you forget our delightful little cinema in Folkestone?! Smile

TheClitterati · 01/06/2020 18:03

I agree with all BertaBear has said.

In 10 minutes you can get to countryside, or sea, or pretty much anywhere actually. Very few traffic lights or traffic. Quick quick to France. Great Ballentynes gym (other gyms too by Ballentynes has a great pool).
Folkestone has all the day to day shops you might need. Sure the main shopping preceient is a big underwhelming, but they have a nice little market and it has all you need on day to day level. I love the Old High Street, quirky shops, nice pubs and some fab indie restaurants too, COVID permitting. We have a costs and startbucks but there tends to be less chains, more indie cafes/restaurants with is a HUGE plus. I'm not much of a shopper and can get pretty much everything I need locally.

We have all the big supermarkets within a 10 minute drive including a great Waitrose in Hythe. The Sainsburys in town has to be the grimmest supermarket I've ever been to, but there is so much choice I don't need to go back there ever again. Big Sainsburys at Park Farm is nice.

If I fancy a big shopping day (rare for me) I quite enjoy shopping in Canterbury, or Westfield Stratford is 45 minutes on the train. I have no desire to ever go to Oxford Street again, but that isn't too far either if that is your thing.

We are just back from our daily swim in the sea.

TheClitterati · 01/06/2020 18:04

Hideous Grin

To move to Folkestone - tell me all!
YouDirtyMare · 01/06/2020 18:11

Bloody awful @TheClitterati
Nobody should have to put up with that Grin

Putthedamnlidonit · 01/06/2020 18:21

Thanks all! It's firmly on the list to check out thoroughly, despite the naysayers!

Just a quick question- I have two mums, so the kids have same sex grandparents who visit frequently and are v involved, we all love them to death. Would that raise any eyebrows do you think?

Also, Bertha, those links were v interesting. I noted that the stunning Audley road property is parallel to the house on Herdson road we liked. Is that area fairly safe? I'm assuming it's quite middle class because of the prices, which is neither a good nor a bad thing as we are after a safe, family friendly area, not necessarily a posh or affluent one, although sometimes it's one and the same! I'm sure there will be no probs with the grannies but would feel awful if they were made to feel uncomfortable/ stared out etc (prob being paranoid as am so used to Brighton areas.....!)

Thanks again everyone.

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TheClitterati · 01/06/2020 18:46

I don't think that would raise any eyebrows at all.

a male couple were just kissing and cuddling on the beach and in the sea when we were down there this afternoon. Just along from the (socially distant-ish) sea goth teens.

Its got quite an arty alternative vibe down here. It doesn't strike me as particularly conservative (though it is strongly Conservative as is most of the rest of kent). I was a bit worried it might be a bit rasict and dry but its really not. 99% of people I've met here are really nice, chilled people. All sorts too.

Oh there is a 3 story skateboarding/climbing center being built in town too. And an old building in town has just been covered in gold leaf - art innit.

Livebythecoast · 01/06/2020 18:51

@TheClitterati - what a disgusting 'deprived hovel' we live in right?! Grin.

In answer to your question OP, re two Mum's/same sex Grandparents - I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow at all. Personally (and I have lived in Folkestone for 20 years) I have never seen any prejudice around gay people. As in, no-one cares, and all that. Obviously I cannot speak for everyone - nobody can about a town but I have never encountered it. I'm pleased you are not totally put off thinking about relocating here. I didn't grow up here but my daughter (16) has and she's enjoying a very happy child/young adulthood. When I moved here from Buckinghamshire, I was always made to feel very welcome. Whatever you decide, I hope you find a lovely house, a lovely town/village and your family are happy Smile

Concernedaboutgran · 01/06/2020 20:22

I honestly don't think two grans would cause any raised eyebrows. There's quite a lively gay community. The herdson road area is lovely and quiet, close to Cheriton high Street which has some nice cafes, a few shops, a bar and a couple of pubs. I go past there quite a lot and always think how beautiful the houses are and how peaceful it is. Im pleased the naysayers haven't put you off Folkestone completely.