Chicken virus will make Covid-19 look like nothing.....

[Needamanicure]

Dr Michael Greger, suggests "an apocalyptic virus that would make corona seem irrelevant"

Leading scientist warns of the danger of a pandemic triggered by chicken farms that could kill half the world's population - yes it is reported in the Daily Mail, The Sun and a few regional papers. This guy thinks we are headed for more animal spawned virus in the coming years so seat belt up and wait for it....

YABU - don't be stupid it won't happen for a long time - worry story

YANBU - the way humans farm animals it will happen sooner than you think

More concerning is that antimicrobial resistance is on track to cause more global deaths annually than cancer and about 70% of the world's antibiotics are given to farm animals.

Cultured meat is the answer. Traditional livestock farming will be a thing of the past by the end of the century.

Nothing happens in seconds, geologically speaking

Any second now give or take a few hundred thousand years...

Much more fun worrying about incredibly unlikely Hollywood-style disasters.

Yeah like global pandemics.

It's going to make Covid look like a tea party

I see wind-everyone-up OP never returned. I figured as much.

Or Fungicide resistance that is growing and popping up all over the world due to our overuse of fungicides on edible crops.

Not only is it a huge threat to food security but also to human health.
There is already fungal diseases resistant to types of medications found in hospitals effecting human health.

If you have a fungus just as happy to colonise you as it is to colonise the inside walls, ventilation systems and is unkillable we have a huge problem.

The push towards Veganism and the reliance of monoculture crops, the increasing lack of biodiversity within the crops grown, soil microbes and insect populations as well as climate change increases our risk of catastrophic food security issues which are as big if not bigger than the risk of pandemics.

Think the Irish potato famine caused by one plant pathogen (Phytophthora infestans) and potatoes lacking genetic diversity.

The push towards Veganism and the reliance of monoculture crops, the increasing lack of biodiversity within the crops grown, soil microbes and insect populations as well as climate change increases our risk of catastrophic food security issues which are as big if not bigger than the risk of pandemics.

98% of the world's soy production is used to feed livestock. More land is used for growing animal feed than anything else. Farming animals increases "monoculture crops" in a huge way (because of all the land being used to grow animal feed).

Are you a vegan op?

Yabu to believe any vague daily mail story on what could possibly maybe never or might happen. I might get run over by a bus today but I'll still cross the road if I need to

don't be so lazy and go google the said 'newspapers' yourself

Wow how rude op, I'm leaving this post after reading that.

Ah, just what we need. An unsubstantiated theory that will only add to everyone's anxiety.

Let's get past COVID 19 first please.

It's not so much just the farming I'd say, given recent animal to human jump evidence its more a mix of population density, animal welfare and food hygiene proximity etc. Certainly wouldn't take newspapers, YouTube, random outliers with active agendas, or general Google searches as gospel either. You often end up down a sensationalised panic-inducing, biased rabbit hole. Dig out the peer reviewed, controlled conditioned, control sample compared to scientific studies the spin is based on, pubmed, new scientist, national research etc. and build your data by critically reviewing them.

Scientists are doing their best to review facts and figures, giving advice based on worst case scenario with info available. They're not always right. The best way to refute science is with better science.

From a statistical point of view diseases moving from animals to humans is something that happens fairly regularly with anything from little effect to global effects like now. The next one as big or bigger than this one could happen any time. It won't think to itself oh they've only just had covid I'll hang on for a couple of decades. So yes it could be in a hundred years or it could be next year. Our relationship with animals could reduce or increase the chances of one happening sooner or later.

@Mypathtriedtokillme that particular Irish famine wouldn't have happened without a highly vulnerable population living in extreme poverty, with one staple foods source, that could be grown almost anywhere, in bad soil, on tiny plots. So I don't think that's relevant really.

I think unless us humans start to take more responsibility for our actions and act with greater moral imperative as opposed to profit driven motives, then it it is going to come back and bite us one way or the other, be it through climate change, anti-biotic resistance, pandemics etc Covid is a wake-up call for us all; an opportunity to do things differently for the collective good. But as Carl Sagan said, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

Typical headline journalism. And yes I do believe at some point mankind will b mostly wiped out by a new disease rather than by wars, that’s
the way viruses and bacteria survive. I will stick to reading the scientific journals and get info there rather than The Sun.

Not a fan of Greger, put off by his view that chemo will only cure 2% of cancers - for the rest, go vegan.

Also vegan Maurice Gibb (Bee Gees) died of colorectal cancer, non meat eater Steve Jobbs (Apple) died of pancreatic cancer, and vegan Pete Tonk (Monkees) also died of cancer.

Saturated fat may not cause heart disease - see these links,

www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/saturated-fats-and-heart-disease-link-unproven/

bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111

From the book, Even Vegans Die (2017) - Carol J Adams, Patti Breitman, Virginia Messiana (all vegans) I’ve taken these quotes,

Page 3 “… populations that live longest and healthiest lives eat a plant centred diet… None of these populations is vegan.”

“… in the US vegan men have a lower risk of heart disease, … women don’t appear to have the same protection.”

“… in UK vegans have a reduced risk of heart disease … but risk was even lower in lacto-ovo vegetarians and pescatarians.”

And in UK little little difference in all cause mortality.

Should've added; yesterday our meals were vegan, vegetarian and chicken. Today, vegan breakfast for me, lunch vegetarian and evening meal vegetarian.

Viruses like dense populations and travel. So we are a prime virus medium.

Saying that, if a virus makes people very sick, it's R number is often low.

You would need a lot of things to come together to make it that effective a killer. It would need to be airborne which is rare.

Something like smallpox.