My DH has become an anti-vaccer

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Please help - does anyone have any good YouTube links or articles I can show him?

He was a reasonable person before lockdown, and now he's got so much time on his hands he's been researching all this shit and decided he is now "against" vaccinations.

I've tried to speak to him about it, but he won't listen to me.

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1218376?

Ask him if he's happy to have fallen for an orchestrated misinformation campaign?

Is it because of the aborted fetal cell ingredients or the no studies of vaccines against a group of people with zero vaccines?
Ask him and see what he has to say?

Do you have children, and how old?

Your partner is basically an idiot. If mine started that shit, it would be one of the few things I'd instigate divorce over.

House sums it up well-
m.youtube.com/watch?v=urZLTobAfJc

Those aborted fetus cells are from the 60s FFS. Bastard anti vaxxers make it sound like they're ripping babies out of their mothers to make vaccines

'Research'?

Like, reading blogs and such? Or has he recently become qualified in immunology and has been able to point out a fatal flaw in the vaccinations we give our children?

That is the level of disdain he would get from me. I have no time or patience for idiots, and things like this, and flat earthers, enrage me.

'Believe what you like DH, it just makes you sound like an idiot'.

You don't need both parents to get your child vaccinated, do you? Just take then yourself. Plenty of jehova witnesses do so in secret.

Are you talking about the MMR? A child in my family died a very long and painful death from SSPE, get him to read up on that disease.

Look up tetanus. Due to vaccinations, there’s virtually no cases in the UK. The only cases there are are in unvaccinated older people, or travellers from abroad.

I had a bet with my DP how long it would take someone to mention the (potential) CV vax and use the words 'rushed' and 'not properly tested'.

Second guess was thalidomide
Then Bill Gates
Then narcolepsy and swine flu
Then it can get real weird and include lizards and such

If you say anything to those who normally vax but won't this time as it's 'not properly tested' and they need 'more data' by everyone else being the data set for them, apparently that's unreasonable and we should all wallow in this nightmare for years as apparently vaccines are the only risks in our lives.

See, in the UK some people are v angry we have one of the highest death rates, but don't really think lockdown applies to them and there's an excuse why; won't sign up to track and trace as it's a data privacy issue; may not do the home test as it's unpleasant and why should little Jonny be forced as body autonomy is more important, and of course the vaccines are there just to make big Pharma a lot of money that's all and are putting us all at risk unnecessarily.

May the force OP.

How does he think small pox was brought under control?

I haven't clicked on the links, but would guess that some of them are science based reasoned arguments. If so, they would be ideal for someone open minded and curious who wants to know more about vaccines. (I might go back and click later because I'm really interested in science).

But if he's become a committed anti vaxxer, then he's reached a point where logical arguments won't be effective.

Antivaxxers appeal to emotions and rely on personal anecdotes so you need to do the same. If you don't have children then it doesn't really matter, but if you do (now or in the future) and want him to be on board with vaccinations then appeal to the heart rather than the head.

You need to appeal to both positive and negative emotions so you that there's both a push (towards vaccination) and a pull (away from leaving a child unprotected).

Show stories of children who have died or left disabled after being infected by preventable diseases. Then hold your baby and talk about how much you love your baby and how small and vulnerable they are, how frightening it would be if they caught one of those terrible diseases. Replace the images in his head of children supposedly damaged by vaccines with images of children damaged by illness. Say how much you love your baby, how you want to protect them, how you want the doctors to protect them.

Sounds OTT but it would have more chance of working than a logical argument.

Get him to read this article about Paul Alexander who contracted polio in the fifties and was paralysed from the neck down.

The man in the iron lung

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Yes that is a good point, some studies claim the only thing that helps with anti-vaxxers is to show them that those are not 'mild childhood sniffles' that we vaccinate against. And no, there is no evidence that unvaccinated children are healthier and just shake the bugs off. So show him measles, diphtheria or meningitis death rates.

As my south London HV said to me at the time 'the African women don't complain about MMR they are delighted with it'.

I would struggle to live with someone displaying that level of ignorance!

do I have to do my "why the apparent rise in autism is because of changes in diagnostic criteria & changes in special education support criteria & the closing of institutions & care in the community & direct him to Bearman & Kings et al series of social reasons for increase in autism, & the links of asd & inheritance & than point out that Kennedy in USA had an Aunt within the spectrum which might link with his son"?
As you may gather the above is a precis
& by the way dd & her cousin (both within spectrum as is that cousin nephew/my gn) didn't have the mmr because they didn't start that for a few years after
& we don't use mercury in the mmr in the UK & the form of mercury they talk about as a that was used preservative is not they same as the one as the high risk one & when it was used was in microscopic amounts & if its Aluminium - stop drinking water!
Decades ago I did nursing & one of the patients I came across had had polio when he was young - he had recovered "reasonably well" (left with limp) but as he came into middle age his lungs got weaker (its a known side effect) & he had to come into hospital to get help with breathing a couple of nights a week
Antivaxers keep saying no research is done - which is patently untrue (Bearman & King & many others in asd etc) & records are kept in any SUSPECTED side effects. However he should be aware individuals can react/be allergic to anything - like nuts or wheat & can die from that innocuous substance food stuff.
Death rates & long term disability from childhood diseases have been virtually eradicated - its worth looking at old cemeteries to see how many dc died from them or looking up the history of fever hospitals ...

I would take the @1066vegan approach. He's been manipulated and I think you'll need to appeal to his heart over his head to bring him back.

I'd also take my child to be vaccinated regardless. No way in hell would I leave my child unvaccinated. Do you know any older people who might be able to talk to him about life before vaccination as a standard/before we had as full a programme as now? I had older parents and grandparents despite being a 90s baby. Listening to dad talking about his spell in an isolation ward for Scarlet Fever at 10 in the late 40s and watching my grandfather work doubly hard to walk on his claw foot- thankfully the only lasting damage inflicted by Polio at age 2 in 1914- means that there has never been any question in my mind about vaccines being the much lesser evil. If nothing else, ask him if he finds the Rubella risk acceptable- including to you if you plan on more DC.

The WHO in recent conferences discussed vaccine scepticism and agreed that there are valid reasons why people have concerns over vaccinations and that the pharmaceutical industry needs to address these valid concerns. There have been safety concerns over vaccines, there are ingredients that have since been proven to be potentially harmful, there are vaccine reactions. All medications come with potential side effects.

Maybe you should be more open minded and listen to what he has to say.

Rushed through vaccination that has not been properly tested? Where are people getting this rubbish from? Do your research on what constitutes 'properly tested' and then read the protocol for the current vaccine trial at oxford university and then make your judgement.

@doublehalo it's not closed-minded to reject the ideas of someone who's fallen down the YouTube rabbit-hole of ever more extreme videos.

You know who promotes anti vaccination conspiracy theory in the West? Putin. You know who's right behind vaccination programmes in Russia? Also Putin.

Don't be so open minded your brain falls out of your ears. Don't let yourself be used to promote conspiracy theories that actively harm us.

The first two videos are the ones I would have linked. Hopefully one of them works.

How a smart person could fall for anti vax stuff is beyond me.

@DameFanny - Putin is doing what exactly?

Now that sounds like a conspiracy theory.