To think if lockdown had happened in November, it would have been handled differently?

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I mean that the weather has been and will be hugely on our side on the whole.

Of it had struck late autumn/early winter.

Would people be thinking waited in a 40 minute queue in the cold/wind/rain would be reasonable?

Would we be happy to hear that you could only exercise outside, kids in tow.

You can go outside and meet people for exercise now, it's freezing out there btw.

Primary schools wouldn't be able to hold lessons outside...so the return may have been different?

The prospect of standing outside on a dark cold Thursday at 8pm to clap, may not have been so warmly welcomed?

People wouldn't have travelled to the beaches/lakes etc for a weekend trip thinking it was ok.

I just wonder how it would have been different.

And if this was Christmas. The rules may have been a bit more relaxed about seeing family, or more people broken the rules.

It needed to be January really as everyone is too skint and miserable to go out anyway. I find the nice weather has helped me stay happy and positive but I'm lucky to have a very nice garden.

I think the lovely weather hasn't helped at all. Not only in the way the whole thing has been managed, but has it made people want to be outside and that in itself has been unhelpful in containing the spread of the virus. If it were cold, wet and miserable out there, we would all be more willing to stay at home. But the fact that it's been warm and sunny has made people go to parks/lake/beaches in droves regardless of the lock down. That, in itself, must have caused more cases than we would otherwise have seen.

So you’re asking what the lockdown would look like in autumn? Like how it currently is autumn in the Southern Hemisphere?

no, how it would look in a cold, wet windy environment with the biggest national holiday.

I totally agree. I commented this on a news article earlier. The weather has kept me sane through this but the weather really had been amazing. We have had and are having really long stretches of sunny days which is quite unusual in the UK. We are lucky to have a large garden and the kids are happy to play outside and in their pool, but for those in flats and no gardens etc then I don't blame them for wanting to go out.

Last sum-aut-winter felt like a lockdown anyway. Month after month after indistinguishable month of pissing rain, floods and storms. Before lockdown I was thoroughly fed up of places being in their closed season and anything outdoors being thick mud or rivers down the pavements.

The sunshine is good anti-Covid as the UV weakens the virus and produces vitamin D for resistance. Cases transmit far more easily through prolonged contact indoors with poor ventilation than outside in UV light and the wind.

Minor transgressions of the lockdown such as family over for a BBQ has had less effect on virus spread than sitting indoors having a roast.

A winter lockdown would be harder for queuing, escaping the house and mean that it doesn't feel like the longest, interminable school holiday ever. People would be more impatient to get back to school and work.

We need normality, real normality (or pretty close to it) before the autum/ winter.

@00100001

no, how it would look in a cold, wet windy environment with the biggest national holiday.

quote...because i can heheheh

I work in emergency planning avd was heavily involved in the incident response to the floods in Yorkshire in October, November and February. It has crossed my mind a few times that a few weeks of back to back storms would have kept people inside more, so no sneaky bbqs or everyone tushjbg yo the beach. But wiring outside shops would not have been so well tolerated, and cycling/walking would not have surged for either transport or exercise.

We also didn’t have a government for most of November.

I think we will find out what it will be like this winter, when the virus is still here (and possibly back with a vengeance) and we need to adhere to similar lockdown restrictions again.

I think there might have been pros and cons. For example, it's not too much of a hardship for people to queue up outside a shop in glorious weather but it would be very unpleasant to have to do so in the cold and rain. It might have made many people think twice about if their visit was necessary or it night have made some people ill with other complaints. Christmas shopping might have given shops the income boost they needed to stay afloat for a little while, but then there would be no crazy sales to boost spending afterwards. People's mental well-being has definitely benefitted from the better weather but of course that also means that there are many people out and about, sharing public spaces as usual in the summer. People might have had enough of lockdown by Christmas and thought they were going to see their families regardless of guidelines and so there may well have been a huge spike, along with all the other usual winter illnesses, overwhelming the NHS.

Yeah, as in May in South Africa is winter. And last weekend was the biggest holiday for a lot of Muslims.

We’ll find out in Autumn.

It would have been different, but in both positive and negative ways. The nice weather has encourage people out more - but again, cold and wet weather would have changed the ways and reasons people would have done this.

Would people be thinking waited in a 40 minute queue in the cold/wind/rain would be reasonable?

• they'd have only gone for essentials and more sparingly I suspect.

Would we be happy to hear that you could only exercise outside, kids in tow

• lots of people go out in all weather, so they'd not be undeterred. They'd wrap up warm and go out for a walk.
• those who are fair wether would have stayed at home, and of those who are keen exercises - they'd have done more youth classes, etc.

Primary schools wouldn't be able to hold lessons outside...so the return may have been different?

• we won't be doing outdoor lessons anyway so it wouldn't have affected how we manage our return to school.

The prospect of standing outside on a dark cold Thursday at 8pm to clap, may not have been so warmly welcomed?

• I do it from my window, when I have joined in, regardless - normally as I have my PJs on by then.

People wouldn't have travelled to the beaches/lakes etc for a weekend trip thinking it was ok.

• I suspect this kind of travel would have reduced a lot, same with neighbours meeting on pavements, etc.

Cold wet weather may have encouraged people to go inside other's homes more.

@SunbathingDragon

I think we will find out what it will be like this winter, when the virus is still here (and possibly back with a vengeance) and we need to adhere to similar lockdown restrictions again.

Maybe, but I guess we will have all adjusted to life by then (or become apathetic to it ...!)

Come to Scotland then, there have been stretches of bad weather,

Holy Jesus, we have a quote function.

This thread has also reminded me to buy a pair of wellies, a giant umbrella and an absolute fuck of parka for that winter food queuing. Good times a-ho.

PicsInRed , that’s a very good point ! Need to update my winter kit ! Really won’t fancy standing in line freezing.

@Likethebattle

Come to Scotland then, there have been stretches of bad weather,

how have the queues been?

I suspect that if we're still doing the queuing thing, home delivery will be extra popular!

I think people’s mental health would have taken a real nosedive, especially people in flats with no gardens or families in overcrowded houses.

Is quoting a premium feature?

Mumsnet would have had an actual end of life episode of Christmas was threatened in any way.

The quotes are very ugly.

@00100001 I didn’t go out on Friday and Saturday when the weather was vile. I did speak to the young lad manning the door at Sainsbury’s though and he said people still queued properly and all had hoods or brollies. Maybe then we just need to dress appropriately But I’m trying to take as little with my as possible, no coat, no handbag, Apple Pay etc.

@TSSDNCOP yes but terribly useful for those starting begging threads to identify which posters part more easily with their money.