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Phonics - 5 year old difficulties

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LostMum2019 · 24/05/2020 23:31

Hello,
seeking help, guidance & reassurance

We have a little boy who has just turned 5, he has been introduced to a phonics program to learn to read.

The school provided flash cards with words to learn to read/ blend. They provided the same cards for 5-6 months.

Apparently they have working of the same 8 letters - learning to blend letters together in order to read all this time.

I approached the school and asked for an alternative activity. They returned them to us saying ‘this is approach we use ‘

I explained that our little was upset by just seeing the cards and it was affecting his wellbeing.

How long did your little ones take to recognise that the letter sounds form words.- learn to blend ? How long did your child stay on the first set ?

We are upset for our little boy - that they school are not willing to provide an alternative activity to meet his needs / engage him better. Are our expectation too high ?

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flooredbored · 25/05/2020 12:27

My little boy loves this alphablocks reading programme. There is a great mix of activities and they tie up with the alphablock show.

5minutefunshop.co.uk/products/alphablocks-reading-programme

DarkDarkNight · 25/05/2020 12:33

Definitely keep reading for fun with no pressure. If you use the cards just use them to play games, it worked so much better for us, I’ve been doing it with number flash cards for number bonds to 10 and 20. If you have a tablet my Son loved Alphablocks when he was a bit younger.

I’ve put some images my Son’s school sent about the YouTube Read Write Inc lessons for info. I think some parents had been complaining that the YouTube sessions were repeats Hmm. There’s some on from Tues-Fri this week then they start again 1st June. They’re only on for 24 hours but I’ve found them really good. I’ve only put the first for info and the last page as the other sessions aren’t available anymore.

You can let the presenter be the teacher and do the session along with your child. I’ve actually found them useful, phonics was a bit alien to me but I’m really good at it now Grin.

Phonics - 5 year old difficulties
Phonics - 5 year old difficulties
MosaicOrnaments · 25/05/2020 12:46

My DC is 5 year 1.

In reception the teacher told us to focus on the beginning and ends of a word, so with Cat to focus on the C and T when they had that then start on the Ca-t sound, they don't have to say the words just the sounds.

DC is only just beginning to read "properly" as it word blending the words and knowing what it says. It's a slow process.

SparklyOnTheInside · 25/05/2020 12:54

Another (Reception) teacher here Smile

You could try the Letters and Sounds sessions here :

www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_FbjYUP_UtldV2K_-niWw

(there is also a pronunciation guide for parents which is very helpful!)

There are lots of fun games that will take the pressure off:

new.phonicsplay.co.uk

www.teachyourmonstertoread.com

Lots of singing and telling him stories and take a little break from "reading' books and flashcards!

Some sound discrimination stuff
www.bbc.co.uk/teach/school-radio/eyfs-early-years/z6bgnrd

LoisLittsLover · 25/05/2020 12:58

My daughter is 5 and can read to a higher age. But ahe doesn't really 'get' phonics, she just looks and reads the words. The best thing for her has just been exposure to hundreds and hundreds of books of different styles and genres.

Waveysnail · 25/05/2020 13:06

Word hornet

ButtonandTiny · 25/05/2020 13:28

Does he know the sounds Lost? Is it just the blending he struggles with? DS2 is the same, he knows all the alphabet sounds but is just beginning to blend. For example, he had a picture of a wig, he can sound out w-i-g then he'll say hair.

I agree with the above advice to ditch the cards if they upset him. Look at the sounds he knows and make up any words with those sounds. As above, s,a,t,p,i,n are first if your school follows Letters and Sounds. If they use read, write, inc it's a slighlty different order, starting with m.

Use magnetic letters, write in shaving foam or sand, write on walls with water, use paints or crayons. If he knows s,a,t,p,i,n you can make up many 3 letter words with those letters.

LaurieMarlow · 25/05/2020 13:33

Alphablocks have worked a treat in this house.

Also recommend the Oxford Owl site.

PeanutDouglas · 25/05/2020 13:35

Do you really need to keep going back to the school? There are plenty of online resources

ChipsCheeseAndBeans · 25/05/2020 13:37

I really recommend the teach your monster to read app. Really helped my DS.

Coka · 25/05/2020 13:47

I would focus on word families like you said earlier, so at- cat,fat,rat then move onto am- ham,jam,Sam. Do all the sort a word families then when he can blend words with an a in the middle introduce i instead . It could be confusing him if you are using cards with any vowel in the middle.

Coka · 25/05/2020 13:50

Also instead of saying h-a-t say h-at, big would be b-ig , f-an, h-ot. When he can do this he might be able to sound out the individual sounds more easily

BelievinForAMiracle · 25/05/2020 13:52

Teacher here. There is lots of good advice above. Don’t do anything that is distressing your son, have a break from the cards if that’s the effect they are having. They are never meant to be used in isolation. Read LOTS and notice some of the letters he knows. Oh look there’s a b in that word boat. Sound it out. Collect objects beginning with a sound. Write it. Make a sound with play dough. For example: sh. Run his fingers over it. Say the sound. Say words with the sound. Find objects with the sound and look at how the sound is written.
Books with rhymes and rhyming games are good too. Children with good reading skills learn to rhyme early. Make up silly nonsense words too that rhyme. Then see if he can spot the rhyming words in a story hat you read to him like the Gruffallo. Most of all keep it fun and varied. Apps and songs and rhymes are all good.

Gradually the pieces will fall into place with time.
Try not to worry.

Leodot · 25/05/2020 13:56

Hi @LostMum2019

I’m a reception teacher and an Early Reading/Phonics specialist. There have been lots of great suggestions here already but I just wanted to add that I think you need to work on lots of Phase 1 oral blending and segmenting. If you said b-e-d in sound talk, could your child work out what word you’d said? If you said dog as a whole word, could your child segment it into the sounds d-o-g?

If they can’t then they will likely find reading and writing very hard and I can’t blame them! It would be like being asked to to complete a maths paper when you know what numbers are eg: you know that’s a 2 but you don’t know how to count 2 things.

If they cannot hear sounds yet, then even if they recognise them, when they say them it won’t mean anything. Unfortunately, Phase 1 often gets overlooked and people race onto Phase 2 and getting them to recognise which letters correspond to which sounds. There’s no harm in doing Phase 2 alongside Phase 1 in nursery or reception but if they don’t get Phase 1 oral blending and segmenting, then Phase 2 won’t mean anything to them as even thought they know what letters look like, they can’t do anything with the letters. They might be able to sound out b-e-d but if they can’t hear the sounds and combine them to make a word, they won’t be able to read or write and will become upset and reluctant.

I think sharing lots of stories together and sounding out words for your child to orally blend is a great start. So the sentence might be “little r-e-d, which word am I saying? Yes red, r-e-d, red, little r-e-d red riding hood”. Lots of modelling how to do it, lots of repetition and lots of praise when they show interest or willing. Get them to love reading and want to be involved with books. Right now they might just be finding the idea of books stressful.

A game my Nursery/Reception children love is when we play with our sound animals. They are animal puppets who can only speak in sound talk and I have to say what they’re saying. I get them to ask questions to the animal and I reply in sound talk eg: “what’s your favourite food? Ch-ee-se”. Sometimes I have lots of objects on the floor that have 3 or sometimes 4 sounds in and get them to find things eg: find the b-oo-t. We also play a game where I give them an object and they stand on the opposite side of the classroom. They can only join me when I say their object in sound talk. So if they had a bag, they can only cross the classroom when I say b-a-g. If they are finding it hard, then help them by showing them how to do it eg: find the b-oo-t. Pick something up eg: cup then ask them what it is. They reply with the whole word answer cup. “cup. C-u-p does that sound like b-oo-t? No, let’s try something else. Pick up the boot. B-oo-t, those are the sounds I was saying. We need the boot. B-oo-t makes boot”. Constantly repetition of the sounds and the word you are sounding out.

Also make sure that they are confident in hearing the initial sound in an object so c in cat. I often get my children to do lots of sorting of objects by initial sound. I will show them the letter as well so they start to realise that is the written symbol that goes with the sound but the main focus is the listening skills.

When they’ve got listening skills, I start to push blending and segmenting with books and pens and paper as it makes more sense. Eg for writing: remember when I said a word to you and you told me the sounds in it? This time I want you to tell me the sounds and then write them down. See if you can remember what they look like.

Eg for reading: remember when I said a word in sound talk and you told me which word I said? This time you are going to sound out a word by looking at and saying these letters then saying the whole word at the end.

They shouldn’t feel intimidated to read or write as they’ve already got that foundation skill of being able to do it orally.

If you google Phase 1 phonics, there will be lots of other food suggestions for ideas and games you can try. Good luck OP and hope it works out for you!

LostMum2019 · 25/05/2020 20:44

@Destroyedpeople

As the teacher has told him to make sure he does his homework.

So he wants to do what he is told by the teacher- but when he sees the flashcards he gets upset. As he has received exactly the same homework for 4-5 months.

We are in Wales, we are following a welsh program.

We read books to our lo daily. Have done since he was a couple of months old.

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Healthyandhappy · 25/05/2020 20:45

My 5 yr old isnt doing them as she doesnt wanna and screams. However she will write x

LostMum2019 · 25/05/2020 20:52

@user1473878824

He is getting upset because the school have provided the same homework for 4-5 months- flashcards.

How would you feel if u were given some thing to learn for such a length of time. ( 4months) is have previously tried alternative but then says that not what miss told to me to do. The school refused to provide an alternative or differentiate the work in any way.

Lockdown is a good chance to do something alternative. As I can tell my lo Miss has said we can do our own activities

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user1473878824 · 25/05/2020 21:03

I wasn’t having a go I was asking for clarity and I’m sorry he’s finding it tough.

LostMum2019 · 25/05/2020 21:04

@Leodot
Thank you.

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LostMum2019 · 25/05/2020 21:09

@DarkDarkNight

Thank you for help. We really appreciate it.

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DarkDarkNight · 25/05/2020 21:15

No problem @LostMum2019.

Polkadotdelight · 25/05/2020 21:20

If you are in Wales though don't you have a user name and password for both activelearn and hwb? Schools finished on 20tb March so I'm not still dragging that old homework out. Our reception teacher uploads videos and activities via hwb. We've never had flashcards.

NeverForgetYourDreams · 25/05/2020 21:22

Our DS14 learned to read using Peter and Jane books (old fashioned primary school) alongside other methods. May be worth approaching 'sight' reading with your son? Some children are better at words rather than blends.

Longtalljosie · 25/05/2020 21:23

Ok so yours are Satpin words. Can I suggest buying some letter fridge magnets and putting up just those letters? And just playing about with them? My eldest learned with synthetic phonics and we barely went near a flashcard.

Polkadotdelight · 25/05/2020 22:42

DH is doing the home learning in our house, one thing he has done is written lots of different words on pieces of paper (cat, nip, hat etc) and lined them up on the back of the sofa or on the stairs. He invented a game when DS has to shoot the correct word with a nerd gun when DH shouted it out and DS got really into it.

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