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AIBU to say that no one should own a caged pet?

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Time2change2 · 24/05/2020 00:17

My parents loved animals and hated to see caged pets ie rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs etc. I did end up having one or two of these as a child but they always hated it really.
Now I have DC and they ask regularly for a rabbit, hamster etc. I just can’t agree. I think it’s so cruel. Hamsters gnaw on the bars all night to try in vain to get out.
Rabbits stuck in hutches or small runs all day.
Many people claim to love animals but how can they when they are caging animals? I can’t even stand to see fish in a tank!
Hate house cats too. Also think it’s cruel.

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SimonJT · 24/05/2020 10:28

@Kittenlicker I have a rescue cat, I have a few friends who have cats (all rescues), we all live in flats in London.

HarlinRay · 24/05/2020 10:28

@Kittenlicker great, how did the local wildlife fare?

grumpyorange · 24/05/2020 10:28

@crispysausagerolls dogs are crates for their safety in most cases. I'd rather my dog be crated then eat through an electrical wire or do 'zoomies' and hurt her leg jumping on and off of things.

Kittenlicker · 24/05/2020 10:28

My charity that I work with won’t rehome unless cats have outdoor space. This is not unusual.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 24/05/2020 10:29

Yes I agree.Dont see the point in an pet unless it's free to roam.

Kittenlicker · 24/05/2020 10:30

@HarlinRay fine I think. All had collars.

Soubriquet · 24/05/2020 10:31

No I don’t agree

I have a friend who has rabbits. They are kept in a heated garden shed (air conditioned in the summer), with a dog flap to a huge outdoor pen.

They live the life of luxury.

Caged animals can live a good life as long as the owners are prepared to put the money into it

Chompsky · 24/05/2020 10:32

"rabbits don’t want human interaction. They want a field to run in, burrow in, plants to eat and chose themselves and other rabbits to mate with."

We live out in the country, and every once in a while are lucky enough to have a family of wild rabbits born and play right on our doorstep. It’s so much fun to watch. Then they start getting picked off, one by one.

This year RHD2 killed two, judging by the blood on the mouth; it’s terrible to witness their death throes. Then a crow grabbed another, a horror movie right before our eyes. The last corpse I found in our garden may have been the leftovers from a fox, I don’t know. Nature red in tooth and claw. Wild rabbits don’t tend to make it to a ripe old age: one or two years, tops.

While that’s not an excuse to put them in cages (personally I don’t much like them either), pet rabbits usually live far longer – well over a decade, if you’re lucky. It’s encouraging that the idea of free range house rabbits has caught on, as you develop quite a bond with them and they with you. You have to experience it to believe it.

As for rabbits needing rabbity company, I agree that’s probably ideal, especially if they’re left on their own a lot. But if you give one plenty of company, and he or she is suited to it (they do have different personalities, just like people), it can work. I would challenge anyone to find signs of unhappiness in ours.

The attached picture is of a wild rabbit I befriended years ago after pretending to groom. He would approach me for food, after I was foolish enough to give him carrots (too sugary, which I later learned!) He was too shy to come in the house though.

Video is Chompsky, whose linguistic abilities are limited to “mm-mm-mm”, which granted, can mean many things, depending on the context.

AIBU to say that no one should own a caged pet?
HarlinRay · 24/05/2020 10:33

From the wikipedia article on predation by domestic cats: “ As an invasive species and superpredator, they do considerable ecological damage. In Australia, hunting by cats helped to drive at least 20 native mammals to extinction, and continues to threaten at least 124 more. Their introduction has caused the extinction of at least 33 endemic species on islands throughout the world. Feral and domestic cats kill billions of birds in the United States every year, where songbird populations continue to decline.”

HarlinRay · 24/05/2020 10:34

Also-collars and bells don’t protect birds from cats. The cats easily learn how to move without jingling the bell, and as another poster has said, collars are actually dangerous to the cats in any case.

DwangelaForever · 24/05/2020 10:36

Why do you hate house cats? My cat has the life of it. Run of the house, coddled beyond belief and comes into the garden with us when we're out there. I'd rather him be safe and warm in the house than out in the wind and rain at danger of getting knocked down, poisoned, tortured. Dogs spend most of their times indoors, only out with owners. What's the difference?

Puzzles10 · 24/05/2020 10:36

I have several rats who live in this cage:

www.jollyes.co.uk/liberta-explorer-large-double-rodent-cage.html

It's full of ropes, hammocks, baskets ect. When I'm home the cage doors are open and they are free to come out- but often they end up back in the cage for a nap, as it's their home not their prison. I dont think it's a bad life.

m0therofdragons · 24/05/2020 10:39

rabbits don’t want human interaction. They want a field to run in, burrow in, plants to eat and chose themselves and other rabbits to mate with.
Yet mine jump onto the sofa and cuddle up to me. Not sure how you know what a rabbit wants.

m0therofdragons · 24/05/2020 10:42

Cats in Canada are house cats otherwise they’d be eaten. I’d imagine the cats prefer staying inside to being eaten, but houses tend to be bigger than in the U.K.

Stefoscope · 24/05/2020 10:42

A lot of domestic animals are kept very poorly by people who really don't deserve them and view them as entertainment/disposible commodities should they become sick. However, plenty of people are responsible pet owners who do extensive research before taking on the commitment are prepared to spend the time and money on giving them the best life possible. I don't think they should be tarred with the same brush as Joe Bloggs picking up a goldfish and a bowl on a whim as their kid decides they want a pet.

The idea that dog ownership is pet slavery amuses me. I'll think of it next time my greyhound wakes me up in the middle of the night because his blanket has fallen off and he wants it fixing! Grin

Kittenlicker · 24/05/2020 10:42

@HarlinRay so dangerous they died early. You can purchase quick release collars. Work perfectly. Humans destroy more animals and Animal habitats than any cats and certainly do much more harm overall. .. . Dogs are also a huge problem to wildlife and livestock. That’s not really the discussion in this thread though. If you want to have that discussion elsewhere I would be happy to.

KKSlider · 24/05/2020 10:43

would you rather live for 10 years free with fellow humans or 50 years in the jail cell and yard?

Hamsters are mainly solitary animals so they wouldn't care about living with other hamsters Grin

Time2change2 · 24/05/2020 10:48

KK but a hamster should be in a large space, far larger than the average uk house footprint? What gives us the right as humans to breed and keep animals because we want to look after them?

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SimonJT · 24/05/2020 10:49

@Kittenlicker ‘quick’ release collars are just as dangerous, they only release when heavy weight is applied, generally a weight above 6kg, the average moggy weighs 4.5kg. The majority of collar injuries are caused by an arm slipping through the collar when a cat tries to escape from entanglement.

Time2change2 · 24/05/2020 10:50

M0ther of dragons.
That is sweet but what I mean is it is not a natural requirement for a rabbit to have affection from humans

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 24/05/2020 10:55

Pink- so you mean to keep him in your garden or to keep other cats out? Is he a rescue?

To keep him in my garden, although it obviously works both way. Yes, he's a rescue. We'll rescue again in the future and the garden will stay cat proofed.

Sirthanksalot · 24/05/2020 10:55

We have a rescue Guinea pig and despite the fact that her and her late partner have taken over the downstairs floor at varying times with an enormous run, I still feel really really shit about keeping her locked up. Besides euthanasia there's nothing else that could be done with her though. I wouldnt get another but I suppose we did her a favour, sort of.

GuyFawkesDay · 24/05/2020 11:00

It's about putting their needs high up your list.

Even as a kid in the 80s my dad was a bit anti pet as he was a natural history programme maker and big conservationist.

But we did have hamsters. Mine lived in a 3ft contraption my dad made with a fish tank at the bottom filled with digging space. We cobbled together rotastak tubes and sections to create what was eventually a great big hammy chest of drawers sized home.

Our rabbits had an old brick aviary in the garden converted. Dad built them a three story hutch with slopes, fitted a big cat flap and made them a huge run. The shed was heated in winter. Needless to say they burrowed out of the run and were well known amongst the neighbours as they visited a few gardens despite our efforts to limit them to ours. But they always were there to be fed and played with morning and evening, hopping round our feet and being groomed. I reckon they had a pretty good life. Far better than a wild one.

Loopyloopy · 24/05/2020 11:06

Depends on the species, the individual, and the cage. Dogs, for example, have evolved to live with humans. It's their niche. A dog locked up all the time is cruel, but some crating is not. If I haven't put my dog in her crate by 8pm (she sleeps there) she will come and harass me until I do it.
Be wary of over idealising "the wild". Life in the wild is usually short and brutal.

crispysausagerolls · 24/05/2020 11:20

@grumpyorange

Load of shit. In my life I’ve had 4 dogs - 3 family dogs and 1 by myself. None of them have ever been crated because we took the trouble to dog proof and train.

Crating is lazy and shitty, and people tell themselves it’s better for the dog or the dog wants a “safe space” to make themselves feel better.

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