To say I'm half Irish

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Just wanted to settle a petty argument between DH and I.
I was born in England. As was my mum. My dad also. However both his parents were born in ROI. They moved to the UK as young adults and met, married and settled with a family in England.
I think that, although my dad was born in England, he is full blooded Irish. Which in turn makes me half Irish. My DH reckons I'm quarter at best.
Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but just interested in the general MN population's thoughts?

Also the quarter part makes no sense

Quarter Irish

As my husband's Irish grandfather used to say, 'it's not being born in a stable that makes a horse a horse!'

My paternal grandfather was Irish, my mother was Australian, I was born in England.

When I was a kid I would proudly say "I'm quarter Irish, quarter English and half Australian". Whilst it's technically true, It's not a conversation I've ever had as an adult

I think people generally go by accent and cultural upbringing. My father was half German, half English, my mother was Irish, I was born in Africa, brought up in London and live in Ireland. I feel English, I sound English. If asked I say "my parents were from this place, that place, I'm from London". So to solve your argument, you are genetically half Irish, because you're 50% of your father but identity and genetics are very different. I am genetically half Irish, but a Londoner immersed in Irish culture.

The rules on claiming Irish citizenship depend on whether the person through whom you are asserting your claim was born in Ireland.
I'm automatically an Irish citizen because I have an Irish born parent. As is dh. Dd had to apply to get on the Foreign Birth Register using proof of an Irish born grandparent to support her claim.

Dh's parent is one of 6 kids. 3 of whom, like Dh's parent were born in Ireland. 3 of whom were born in England. This means that dh is automatically an Irish citizen as are any kids of the first 3. Kids of the second three are not automatically Irish citizens because they don't have an Irish born parent and would need to become Irish citizens in the way dd has. (apologies for the very boring explanation).

Google "Tony Cascarino" and the slightly more complicated way you can qualify to play football for Ireland.

Your husband is right. You are a quarter not a half.

@gabsdot45

They are British by nationality and Irish by ancestry/heritage.

You can be both.

You are a quarter not a half.

Can someone explain fractions to these people.

Is your dh British op? If so, I think it's a bit insulting of you. You've opted to call yourself the minimum possible amount British, and the maximum possible amount Irish.
As you can see from the comments, there's no unanimous right answer. So, you're choosing the option which I presume you think is cooler. The fact that your dh tries to wind you up about it is indicative.

Half Irish because your dad has 100% Irish DNA from your grandparents. He is ethnically Irish but with British nationality because of his passport.

What about that Isis woman, Segum something or another. Britain refused to have her back as she was Bangladeshi, though I think if I remember correctly that she was born in England? Can't remember the exact details now. Or maybe born in Bangladesh, but moved to the UK. In any case, Britain refused her entry here, but I think they were going to allow her son to come here. It's complicated.

Lakielady.
Have a look on Irishgenealogy.ie. they have all birth, death, marriage certs on there from 1865.
If you know your grandmothers name and where she was born you should be able to find her birth cert

To answer the question I would say you are English with Irish heritage.

I agree. You were born and raised in England to parents who were born and raised in England.

I don’t think that makes you half Irish.

It's like those forms you fill in where it asks both your nationality (British) and your ethnicity (Irish). Not rocket science, you can be both Irish and British as they both form part of your ID. Loads of British people identify with another heritage comfortably.

My father was born in India in colonial times, of two British parents. No-one has ever suggested he was half Indian.

You are definitely half Irish, OP. I'd suggest you get an Irish passport quickly, it'll come in really useful after Brexit.

I find people’s need to discuss what nationalities they are really tedious for some reason; it’s like the new “here are my holiday photos”. Unless it’s something genuinely surprising, it’s boring.

I would agree if your father is Irish, you are half Irish. But in reality, If you took one of
Those DNA tests it would become apparent you are actually
About 10 nationalities.

@JudyCoolibar

My father too - do we share a father?! 😬

@Chinchinatti she was British but had a legal claim to Bangladeshi citizenship, she had never been to Bangladesh. UK government removed her citizenship. She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship so is actually stateless. If her child had lived they would not have had a claim for Bangladeshi citizenship so would have been entitled to only British citizenship. I think her Bangladeshi citizenship claim is because her grandparents were Bangladeshi.

Madam - Pardon me??

I'm certainly not ignorant, but you are 100% rude

Not really rude to call people out on their bullshit. You literally said:
I've noticed quite a few British people who are immensely proud of their Irish roots and love to visit Ireland and their ancestral home. Not so much with other countries - usually, like a PP mentioned, they dislike being referred to as Indian for e.g. when several generations have been born in England

How is declaring that brown people are not as proud of their roots as Irish NOT ignorant and offensive?
It boils down to you, as a white person, not having to listen to ‘but where are you REALLY from’ after being in the country for three or four generations.

If you can’t see how what you’ve written is ignorant and offensive then I speechless

Half Irish as your DF is of Irish stock regardless of where he was raised.

It’s up to you how you identify.

These things can be important eg on medical forms as some ethnic groups are more prone to certain health conditions. I’ve told my ds who’s very mixed to identify how he likes but on medical forms list everything.

Your grammar is atrocious.

You really should have checked your own post before being a dick about what someone has typed.

It's like those forms you fill in where it asks both your nationality (British) and your ethnicity (Irish). Not rocket science, you can be both Irish and British as they both form part of your ID. Loads of British people identify with another heritage comfortably.

Yes. I’m not sure why people are getting so confused.

I was born in England. As was my mum. My dad also. However both his parents were born in ROI.
I can see your DH's logic to a point. Your side is English and his side is English too, though born in Ireland.

I have an Irish parent and an English one. I’ve always referred to myself as being English. Born and raised here, so to me I’m English with one Irish parent. I don’t feel any connection to my mum’s side because visits to Ireland have been so rare.