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'We will decide when the lakes are open' AIBU to be irritated?

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Aberforthsgoat · 20/05/2020 11:22

Just been on the phone to my cousin who lives in the Lakes. We were discussing how Cumbria has been really badly hit; I was saying how gutted we are to miss our Lakes holidays this year but how I hope it gets under control for the residents, and we are so looking forward to being able to go when we can.
My cousin said 'IF you can come'
And I acknowledged that of course, we would absolutely not come until it's safe for everyone to do so and government says we can; even then we would make our own risk judgement
My cousin responded by saying, quite smugly 'it doesn't matter what the government says,the people who live here will decide when its open, we are keeping people out at the moment'
She proceeded to tell me how much they all hate tourists and how they would blockade to keep people out if the government lets people visit too soon

I understand it must be scary and I would be worried if I live there too but AIBU for thinking this is quite a nasty reaction?! It's made me feel like actually maybe I won't go back, which I know is petulant and cutting off my nose to spite my face, but it's left a bad taste.

I had no intention of finding a loophole so I could go, I was talking about next year or the year after hopefully!

OP posts:
vanillandhoney · 20/05/2020 13:55

Meh, I'm not arguing, just quoting the guidelines.

ITonyah · 20/05/2020 13:55

Everyone is already piling into the SW tbh. I'm sure the Lakes will officially open soon.

People are scared though, and the R rate is rising in these tourist places so you can't really blame them for being prickly.

Kokeshi123 · 20/05/2020 13:56

She does not sound very nice.

I would be tempted to go on a lovely trip to the Lakes, NOT visit her and post lots of pictures about it on social media and make sure she saw them ;)

(I live in a major tourist area. I love living here and am flattered by the thought that people pay expensive hotel fees to visit the place I get to live in all the time. Don't understand people who live in tourist areas and hate tourists)

HesterShaw1 · 20/05/2020 13:56

MouseMartin, that's really unfair. Like I said, most people are NOT like that. It's the ones who are shouting loudest being heard. Social media has a lot to answer for. I own visitor attraction on Cornwall and attitudes displayed across the board really worry me.

Calling these places "hell holes" is a bit bloody much.

HesterShaw1 · 20/05/2020 13:57

ITonya where did you get your info about the rising R number?

daisyjgrey · 20/05/2020 14:00

I'm in Devon.

Yes the economy relies on tourists but my god tourists don't do themselves any favours do they.

If everyone could delay their holiday that'd be great, it's quite nice being able to park in my own village without a bun fight.

ITonyah · 20/05/2020 14:01

It was reported on the news last week hester

Hollyhead · 20/05/2020 14:04

I will never visit Wales again after this, it's fine to close for non essential travel, but the glee that seems to have been taken in shutting the border to the English is too much.

ITonyah · 20/05/2020 14:05

I don't think anyone is gleeful about the effect coronavirus is having hollyhead.

MouseMartin · 20/05/2020 14:07

HesterShaw1
Didn't intend to upset you but Cornwall has had this problem for years coupled with an extraordinarily damp climate and poverty you can almost taste. I suspect the general populations economic circumstances will result in fewer people taking holidays anyway so it doesn't really matter what the OP's relative thinks; people won't be flocking back anytime soon.

daisyjgrey · 20/05/2020 14:07

Case in point...

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devon-roads-gridlocked-cars-over-4149287

RusticaRubra · 20/05/2020 14:13

Ok, so if there is a general consensus of tourists not being welcome in the LD then fine, let's all boycott it and spend our money in places where we are welcome and on products that are not made in the Lake District.
Happy to oblige.

Iwalkinmyclothing · 20/05/2020 14:13

Also, there’s no restaurants or cafes open locally so you’d have to self cater for every single meal so what’s the point in travelling down here just to have a different view when you’re eating your own dinner?

I rarely go to restaurants or cafes on holiday, they certainly aren't why I visit a place!

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 20/05/2020 14:13

I live in a tourist hotspot-not with a lake but with a castle. I know it is not mine but i have some sympathy because we are being overrun with so many people you cannot social distance and i am finding it stressful.

I dog walk the same walk nearly every day.

I really can't walk there at the moment because of the hordes of ppl-
cyclists cycling on paths clearly labeled "no cycling" (where before lockdown I saw maybe one or two a year I am seeing lots daily)

Part of it is fenced in a clearly marked signs at the entrance-this is because there are wild animals running free and it is unsafe-your dog must be on lead.
Absolutely no cyclists allowed.
Before lock down you rarely saw anyone violating either and now I see lots daily.
Huge football match on grass today with about 15 late teen/early 20's young men.
There are bins at the exits but so much litter left it is so sad.
It is this kind of antisocial behaviour that breeds resentment.

There are both Wardens and (occasionally) police trying to enforce but they just don't have the manpower.

We def need the money from tourism but it is trying to find the balance where locals and tourists can share the space-neither should be driving the other out.

MarginalGain · 20/05/2020 14:18

She sounds dreadful.

BabyLlamaZen · 20/05/2020 14:20

I get why they're so defensive considering how tourists have brought them covid.
However that has happened everywhere. Of course they don't own the lakes.

NotAnotherUserNumber · 20/05/2020 14:20

@GrandAltogetherSo

You must have always been lucky enough to be exceptionally privileged in where you live if you really can’t understand why some people want to take a break and experience somewhere nice for a few days. Holiday rentals are far nicer than most peoples homes and tend to have gardens views and access to the countryside.

Tootletum · 20/05/2020 14:25

We booked a lakes trip 2nd Jan. If the campsite opens and we are allowed to go, why would we just bin it?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 20/05/2020 14:29

There's a lot of this about at the moment unfortunately - I live in the Peak District, and my village Facebook group is full of people frothing about visitors, as if they own the whole of Derbyshire! It's ridiculous.

I remember from a number of years ago (I believe it’s still in place), where a beautiful countryside road in the Peak District was suffering damage from people taking scrambler motorbikes and quads up the banks and woodland to the sides of it. Instead of addressing the actual problem – the inappropriately used vehicles – and putting in measures to stop/punish them, the locals fought for the road to be completely closed on bank holidays and won. This means that people who live far enough away to need a good whole day to make it worthwhile now can’t come and drive at a slow speed along the actual road, however those who live nearby CAN, if they so choose, come and bring their scramblers and quads after work or school and tear up the mud and spoil it for everybody.

I live in the West Midlands – how would these people feel if the folk in my region campaigned for them not to be allowed to use our motorways on bank holidays?

moan that them buying a house there takes away a house from a Cornish person

There’s no ‘taking away’ a house at all, as that suggests dishonour or illegitimate actions. What has happened is that a Cornish person has chosen to SELL them (or a previous owner) a house that a Cornish person could have had. If it was a private sale (as virtually all will have been), there’s no law that requires them to get the best market price by selling to a Londoner rather than selling to a native of the county who can only afford to pay half as much.

Also, there’s no restaurants or cafes open locally so you’d have to self cater for every single meal so what’s the point in travelling down here just to have a different view when you’re eating your own dinner?
Just stay home!

As PPs have said, for many of us, that’s the whole point of holidays. It's nice to eat out sometimes, but the change of scenery and getting away from your own normal mundanities is the big attraction.

If you live in a beautiful centuries-old cottage overlooking Grasmere and surrounded by green mountains, it’s all too easy to tell folk who live in high-rise tower blocks in the centre of Slough or Wolverhampton that they should ‘just stay home’.

Somebody upthread said it’s rather like the anti-immigration ‘go back where you came from’ sorts and I completely agree. I happen to live in a (for all of its faults) safe, prosperous, developed European democracy. Do you know just how much effort and hard work I put in to deserve that right for myself? None whatsoever – I just have several generations of family who happened to be born in what is now the UK and never bothered to move. Why does that mean I deserve to live here any more than any other law-abiding person from a war-torn impoverished nation?

I'd love to know whether your cousin's job in reliant on tourism, OP.

Yes, it is. It might be two, three or more steps removed but, indirectly, it is the tourist money that makes the economy of which she is a part function well. I haven't been to London for nearly two decades, but I'm still part of the national economy that relies on London tourism (along with everything else nationwide that contributes to it) to function.

Her livelihood does not rely on tourism so to her they just make transport, restaurants, events etc uncomfortably busy

Has it maybe never occurred to her that she wouldn’t have such an efficient, regular transport system and choice of restaurants and events if there was only the pool of locals to use and pay for them?

ShaniaPayne · 20/05/2020 14:35

The Lake District needs tourists and tourism - it always has done. The county's economy was badly affected by flooding, so this could be disastrous for a lot of businesses.

But while she was incredibly rude, I can sort of see why some people are panicking about a second wave: health provision in the county has been a political issue for a long time - it's a big place and the service is very spread out. Seeing sports centres in Whitehaven, Workington, Carlisle, etc being turned into emergency Nightingale wards was pretty sobering, even if they weren't used in the end. I guess the fear for some people, particularly older people, is that risk would return, along with the tourists.

Absolutely no excuse for the rudeness, though.

Devlesko · 20/05/2020 14:35

I'd have asked her how beautiful the lakes would be without the money from Tourism.

ITonyah · 20/05/2020 14:39

The lakes will still be beautiful when we humans are dead and gone!

Viviennemary · 20/05/2020 14:41

I feel irritated. They will be bleating even more when people decide to give it a miss. Awful touristy boring place in any case.

Macncheeseballs · 20/05/2020 14:41

People who choose to live in a lovely or interesting place where others like to visit, be it city or country, and complain about tourists are selfish, narrow minded idiots

Weallhavevalidopinions · 20/05/2020 14:42

Some of the beaches in the South West are really busy today (according to FB posts and pictures). A carpark at one beach had to close and traffic queuing onto the main road unable to get in. Another town people are reporting others parking in front of their drives/even on driveways all over double yellow lines so that the bus couldn't pass.

Yet once on the beaches which are large it is easy to social distance. The problem is that some car parks have not opened/and the field parking is shut so that people are parking anywhere. Local have been calling for police and parking wardens to start ticketing people. Lots of motorhomes etc so toilet use not a problem for them but for the day trippers who drive a couple of hours to get here they will find no toilets.

So from both points of view it is a difficult situation - no facilities open and so locals do not want people to come but people are bound to come since the area is beautiful with amazing beaches