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Parents wfh and the furloughed for childcare

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baskininjoe · 17/05/2020 16:28

I am childless, currently by choice because I am in my twenties but do plan to have a child in the future at some point.

AIBU to be getting annoyed with the short end of the stick that the childless are getting right now with everything regarding childcare and lockdown.

I have so many colleges who are currently wfh whilst looking after children. I completely sympathise and understand this is hard but I am really starting to get annoyed with them being less productive, and logging less hours for the same pay (no reduction), whilst the rest of us are expected to pick up the slack, and work more hours to make sure tasks still get completed, whilst not being paid anymore for our extra time and effort. I know there is no perfect solution but it really grates on me that they aren't being paid for what they complete which could therefore compensate the rest of us for the extra we are having to do because they are not fully fulfilling their role.

On top of this with the idea of school provisionally going back in June some of these parents have said they will not be sending their DC to school, despite a place being open and available to them, and therefore expect the rest of us to continue to pick up their slack because they can't work as productively whilst looking after their children.

My housemate (shared house) works in a place where many parents have been furloughed for childcare reasons, despite their being lots of work to do, just because they've asked to be. This means that my housemate has been incredibly stressed as the workload is still high but the team is now smaller, whilst many of their colleges are receiving 80% on the taxpayer, despite their actually being work for them to do, all because they complained to their employer that it was too hard working with children and thus asking to be furloughed. This is especially grating as it is taxpayer money that is being used to pay them, despite their actually being a job they could do and be payed for.

I am not at all against the furlough scheme, another of my housemates work in a restaurant and is also on furlough and this is absolutely the right thing as they can not work, despite wanting to, as their place of work is not allowed to open.

However I think:

  1. Some employers and employees are taking the piss by allowing staff to be furloughed/asking to be furloughed despite their actually being a job to do. Which then negatively affects the rest of the teams as the work level remains the same but there are less people to do the work so the remaining people have to work harder with no extra pay.


  1. Employers need to be understanding but also firm with parents that although some productively will be affected by having DC at home, a certain level still needs to be consistently met or they are not doing their job properly and that negatively affects the business and the rest of the team.


  1. Employers need to be especially understanding and grateful to employees still working, who are picking up the slack for those not being as productive because of DC at home/furloughed for childcare reasons despite their still being work. And actually need to consider financially compensating them for the high level of extra work and overtime and/or promise to look at these people first for upcoming promotions as as they have shown serious dedication to the business.


  1. Employers should not be allowing parents to choose not to send DC to school when they can if it continues to affect the parents productivity level.


I understand this is a hard time for everyone, and parents do have it hard with few childcare options for DC, however that is not the problem of their colleagues and they should not be negatively affected by being expected to work far far more for no extra gain. My housemate and I are stressed beyond belief both having to work 10-12 hours every day for what would be a 9-5 office job in order to pick up the slack for colleagues whilst not being paid anymore whilst these colleagues are only completely 4-6 hours a day yet continuing to be paid the same as us. And on top of this are expecting it to continue despite their child being able to go to school soon because they are choosing not to send them.
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Ylvamoon · 17/05/2020 18:54

@baskininjoe - you sound like some sort of manager. You can do a lot more to get yourself and the team working properly. Have you ever sat back for 30 minutes and done a proper time management analysis? It is worth the effort, you will be learning a lot from it and you will be able to work more efficiently. A bit of critical self analysis and presenting the findings to you employer may just be what you need. Stop looking at what others are doing. The grass really isn't greener.

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SummerHouse · 17/05/2020 19:01

@Thurlow Flowers If I was scrolling through here looking for which poster I would choose for a mum, it would be you. Every time. That's come out weird but I hope you get the sentiment.

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TheBitchOfTheVicar · 17/05/2020 19:01

I agree wholeheartedly with everything @LaurieMarlow says.

And for the record, you may know WHAT is happening, and you may know SOME of the why, but it is guaranteed that you won't know the whole picture of anyone else's life. And as Laurie said, the barely concealed threatening tone of your last post is a world away from your purported empathy.

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bluebeck · 17/05/2020 19:06

YABU

If you stood up for yourself and just did your regular amount of work for your pay, maybe you wouldn't be so uptight about what everyone else is or isn't doing?

Fed up with all these martyrs who are "having to do so much extra work" because they have the misfortune to work with those who have caring responsibilities. Do it if you want but then don't go whinging about it.

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MintyMabel · 17/05/2020 19:10

Oh boo bloody hoo.

Maybe when you grow up you'll understand we're all in this together.

Perhaps spare a thought for the people who aren't lucky enough to be sitting on their arses in a cushy WFH job free from risk. They are doing that so you can have food, whatever you want from Amazon and be taken care of if you fall ill.

And when those kids being looked after and educated grow up to keep society going, pay taxes to pay your pension and wipe your arse when you are in a care home, you will presumably be grateful they did that. And if you decide to have family, you'll get to have all the "advantages" that parents have. Fingers crossed you won't have to juggle working from home whilst trying to educate and entertain your children in a lockdown.

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Chinnychinnychinnychib · 17/05/2020 19:14

This has GOT to be a pisstake. But if it’s not, sweetie, if you’re doing extra hours for no extra pay, you’re a fool. And if you don’t want to work extra hours then just don’t. I’m sure whatever work you are doing is not to vital that the world will collapse (further) without you. PS it’s not people with children’s fault. It’s COVID. So STFU.

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Washyourhands48 · 17/05/2020 19:14

And when those kids being looked after and educated grow up to keep society going, pay taxes to pay your pension and wipe your arse when you are in a care home, you will presumably be grateful they did that

Bingo! I was waiting for this to get trotted out.

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Thurlow · 17/05/2020 19:15

Thank you summer, really, it means a lot to hear someone say something nice at the moment x

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rottiemum88 · 17/05/2020 19:16

Again not my decision, but my job to let my employer know these things so they can make the most informed decision in the best interest of the business.

OP, your attitude is disgusting and completely lacking in empathy. I hope for the sake of the parents working for your organisation that the people with the authority to actually make the decisions have some.

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MintyMabel · 17/05/2020 19:16

Bingo! I was waiting for this to get trotted out

That the children of today will be the adults of the future? Pretty bloody obvious reason people shouldn't be pissed off that people are having children.

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Looneytune253 · 17/05/2020 19:20

Come on!! You don't genuinely think you have the short straw in comparison to someone trying to juggle childcare/home school and a full time job? Seriously I would defo rather be on my own working from home full time than doing all the rest in addition.

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hellosun20 · 17/05/2020 19:28

You are absolutely vile. What a hideous post.

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Washyourhands48 · 17/05/2020 19:29

No, it’s just the assumption that us childfree should bow down in gratitude at people having children. 🙄

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ohcorona · 17/05/2020 19:31

Your post had given me serious rage.
It's not fair that I'm a front line worker and have to go out and work 4 days a week feeling scared for me and my family.

It's not fair that my husband has to homeschool our 2 children.

You are choosing to work over and above your hours and then blaming parents for this.

Only work your own hours and take your grievances up with your employer.

Seriously you sound a delight.

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Rainycloudyday · 17/05/2020 19:31

I’m cringing at a lot of the responses on this thread-the sense of entitlement from some of you is appalling. I have two small children and fully understand the awful situation that many people are in trying to WFH with kids. However, that doesn’t entitle you to the OP’s time which is effectively what you’re saying. She doesn’t have kids so she should volunteer her time to do your job for you?! Um, no.

The problem OP is for your employer to work out with the parents they employ and it shouldn’t involve you. It’s absolutely not ok for you to be expected to work hours of unpaid overtime because colleagues can’t do their jobs. Your outside of work life is as valid as anyone else’s and if you are being asked to work more hours I absolutely agree you should be compensated for it.

However, it seems that 99% of Mumsnet has lost all sense of reason in the last couple of months, so don’t expect anything other than screeching that YOU WOULDN’T KNOW and how dare you not just placidly do all my work for me without a word of complaint because I HAVE CHILDREN YOU KNOW Hmm

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MarieQueenofScots · 17/05/2020 19:32

However, it seems that 99% of Mumsnet has lost all sense of reason in the last couple of months, so don’t expect anything other than screeching that YOU WOULDN’T KNOW and how dare you not just placidly do all my work for me without a word of complaint because I HAVE CHILDREN YOU KNOW

Not even 99% of the posters on this thread have said that Hmm

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HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 17/05/2020 19:33

Rainy, no one has said that though, what they have said is exactly what you have said, it's for her employer to work out and OP shouldn't be going over and above if she's working too hard.

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Sameoldorange · 17/05/2020 19:34

Fed up with all these martyrs who are "having to do so much extra work" because they have the misfortune to work with those who have caring responsibilities. Do it if you want but then don't go whinging about it.

Realistically, if people like OP did say to management they were unwilling to do any extra, it would mean bringing people back off of furlough, which means some would have to resign as they wouldn't be able to do it. Is that really any better than coming on to a messageboard and having an anonymous rant!? It's also interesting how many people are saying you don't know until you have children...well exactly. How many would have been on here moaning about the same thing pre children? Likely a few, no matter how much of a martyr people make out they would have been!!! And of course if this goes on for a while and they have to make redundancies soon it will be those who can commit to work that get kept on, doesn't take a genius....

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HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 17/05/2020 19:36

Sameold, I probably wouldn't have done it on what is primarily a parenting forum though - I would have drank a bottle of wine and moaned to my housemate.

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SuitedandBooted · 17/05/2020 19:37

OP, your attitude is disgusting and completely lacking in empathy. I hope for the sake of the parents working for your organisation that the people with the authority to actually make the decisions have some.

Meanwhile, in the RL business world, empathy won't recover the £700K in orders that my company is currently missing per MONTH.
They will keep those who can help rebuild it, and ensure that the most people can retain their jobs. It can't afford to retain those who cannot/will not do their jobs, and that goes for everyone, parents or not.

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happysleeper · 17/05/2020 19:37

Me and OH are both working from home, we have 1,5&9 year old. It's hard work but my employer is very understanding (not so much my husbands) and I am doing as much as I can when I can.
If you're doing extra hours for no extra pay you only have yourself to blame.

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Cremebrule · 17/05/2020 19:38

Your last post makes it sound like you’ll enjoy dumping on your colleagues when it comes to redundancy. I have done jobs where I was doing 10-12 hour days and they were far less stressful than doing 6 hours of work and 6 hours of childcare.

You need to speak to your employers about what could be paused or stopped given capacity issues and stop moaning about your colleagues. There might be some that are taking the piss but everyone I know trying to juggle work and childcare (with small children) are stressed and close to breaking point. If a parent is unhappy to send their children to school for safety reasons and that has been agreed by your employer, it is none of your business. I think there will become a point where employers will become less supportive of childcare issues but I don’t think that point will be June.

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chopc · 17/05/2020 19:38

Agree with you completely OP as a parent of 3. It's because people lack a strong work ethic and are lazy. Why miss out on a paid holiday funded by the govn if you have the opportunity?

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2020 19:42

Oh I'm sorry, since when did I stop being allowed that people could come on MN just to have a moan and get things off their chest? I have an continue to take it up with my employer in an appropriate professional manner, but I am still allowed to be frustrated and come here to vent.

Yes you are.

But equally other posters are not obliged to agree with you and are allowed to tell you YABU....

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Babyboomtastic · 17/05/2020 19:44

If and when, you manage to work so efficiently that you do your 10-12 hour day in 6 hours, I will start to have sympathy?

Oh, am I asking the impossible, for you to do two jobs worth at the same time? Well that's what the wfh parents of young children have to do.

Even if you work a 12 hour day -from 8 in the morning to 8 at night, you then have an evening and a full night sleep. Many of those wfh with a young child are uo several times at night, up for the day at 6, alternating working and childcare and juggling like a clown on fast forward until the kids are in bed, then logging back to do more work until they go to bed, for what may be yet another tonight of broken sleep.

I have sympathy that your workload has increased. But I actually laughed when you said you had the short straw.

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