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Ishelyingtome · 16/05/2020 21:21

Me and my OH have been together seriously 2.5 years and dated 5-6 months before that.

We've had a rocky relationship for different reasons, we never had the whirlwind romance or honeymoon period. Our difficulties included issues with his family and then my family. His stress with his business.

Now I learned within the first year of our relationship that my OH has a habit of embellishing stories. I also learned that he is a very black and white person. He's either a 0 or a 10, never grey or in the middle. Things are either fantastic or terrible.

I never liked his embellishing as I am quite a matter of a fact person but decided it wasn't a deal breaker.

Until, I started suspecting he had told a fair few lies. I don't think any were malicious but to try and paint himself in a much better light and to impress me.

At times I asked him about it, as I noticed holes in the story. He never responded positively, and answered in some way or another trying to clear the air. It never really did. I started to doubt him more.

When things are good with us they are great. He is very kind, gentle, helpful, family orientated, supportive, affectionate. He is ambitious, we share much of the same goals and values. He has helped me grow as a person. I feel a kinder, more patient, more understanding and better person since being with him. I think if his business worries reduce and he feels less stress we could have a really great relationship most of the time.

I asked him in different ways a few times about the things I doubt. Sometimes like I say he answered, and sometimes he would brush it off or shut it down.

For me, cheating was never my biggest fear in a relationship, not something I ever really think about. My biggest fear was always finding out I had been living a lie or my partner isn't the person I thought they were, I had been fooled or lied to.

As such, feeling that someone is honest with me is a big deal. For my partner his biggest fear is cheating, due to past experiences. He has brought things up before, completely irrational and big arguments because of his insecurities. (E.G I was having a spa day with my friends. Text him a super short message and he thought I was cheating when really I was still in the spa and the phone was in the locker. He called me up a few hours later, he'd had a drink, and had a big attitude. My friends could hear so I said to talk later so he blew up. We talked about. Any extra 10 seconds of my time to say "have a great time, I'm still with my friends, speak later xx" would have made all the difference. He confessed he did trust me and didn't think i'd ever cheat but struggles with those demons.

The example is a negative experience and thankfully not a common occurrence. I tell you because when he has an insecurity its discussed (poorly and usually with an argument) and we discuss how to move forward.

Now, because he has been super stressed I decide to brush my insecurities and need for reassurance under the carpet and told myself I will bring it up when things with his business are better.

Time passes and more time passes and more. Now it's 2.5 years in and what I am dealing with has caused problems in our relationship. I've felt down, I've felt anxious, stressed, distant. I've not wanted to be intimate as how can I feel in the moment when there's something wrong. I keep thinking I'll tell him when he isn't stressed and overwhelmed.

Now, I move away because I simply cannot afford to stay in the city we were living in. He stays because of his family and he is working on his business which means hopefully he can buy a house for us to make a home.

I grow tired, anxious about the future, my biological clock, am I wasting time? Am I doing the right thing? We could have a really great relationship, I know we could... but we are not. We could have a great future, the same goals, the same ideas for family...but why do I feel uneasy?

We end up having a little argument, and I just feel so fed up that I say we need to take time apart. He says we are together or not. I say its up to him. He ends up breaking it off. He calls me within an hour or so knowing hes made a mistake and tries to rectify things.

I tell him how worried I am for my future and wanting children. How it's been 2 years since we were looking at moving in etc etc etc.

He promises to put in to buy his mums council house (now she's in care) and then he will do it up with the mortgage and rent it out. That rent because its in a prime location will be a great earner. He agrees to come stay at least 2 weeks of the month. He couldn't do 3 weeks in case he loses his mum's council house. I agree to see how it goes, reluctantly but I agree. I was so close to being done.

He said he would come and stay and he came that week. I felt so distant from him and didn't really want him there. Anyway the next 13 days were really great. I felt happy and close to him again. Just us, enjoying each others company. I hear some of his business phone calls which are great for me for trust. He has a call about his mortgage for buying the property. He told me before he came he got confirmation of his application to buy. Whilst he was staying with me, I ask to see it and explain its for reassurance, he tells me its a letter.

A few days before he goes to leave, we have sex and I get the condom. He says if I want to start having children we should lose the condoms. He is right, I wanted to have a baby this year latest. However, I don't feel right inside. I want to be excited to have a baby not uncertain. He also mentioned during his stay about my difficulties climaxing (which are due to feeling distant from him)

I decide maybe nows the time to tell him. I hope he brings up my lack of climax again, but he doesn't. We return to the living room and I initiate the conversation. I am nervous. It's not easy telling someone you think they've lied. I decide to say that I feel he doesn't trust me with the truth and that it is affecting our ability to connect and be close. I hope he will sympathise. I play out a scenario in my head where I discuss how it makes me feel, how it impacts our relationship and that I leave him with an open door to come back to me and confess at a later date.

So I start as I planned. He listens but his demeanor changes. He is uncomfortable. He jumps in and tells me that when he doesn't understand something he can't explain properly. I question how he doesn't understand the past.
He tells me that sometimes it comes across as he is lying because he gets his timelines mixed up. He tries to move the conversation on.
I keep it on track. I bring up a few less serious things he has lied about. For example, he mentioned he was emailed about his ongoing court case. At the time I doubted him so asked if I could see the email. He agrees. I ask him again a week or two later. He promises to send it to me when he gets home. He doesn't. I bring it up again, weeks later. He agrees again and of course doesn't. I never saw the email and if it ever existed I will eat my hat.

I bring this up, and he says that it existed and that he thinks something happened as he can't get hold of them etc etc. I said but at the time you didnt show me. He said it disappeared from his inbox. I said at the time, it would have only taken a minute. He told me he had more important things to do.

He tries to end the conversation. This didn't go as planned.
I bring up a big one (I won't disclose what but the reason I doubt it is because there has been countless of things he has said that just don't add up) I tell him that I doubt it ever happened. He says that's sad. I said it is. He says something to brush me off. I decide to confess that I actually looked into it and there were no records. He says that's odd and checked the details with me. They haven't changed. He tells me that he has spent years trying to move on from it (it was a traumatic experience if true) and he's started to feel happy with me and not think about it. We discuss a bit and I can't remember what is said but it prompts me to say "so you just want me to leave it and trust you?" he says yes. I say "right". Because I can't.

So he goes home, and I ask him after he's been home for 6 days if I can see the letter. He promises to show me.

It's been a week since he;s been home 8 days and no sign of it yet. I find myself starting to stew on it, get anxious. For me if it was real, it would literally take him a minute. He has sent me his work emails and documents before to give me reassurance. What is a letter?
I find myself getting all worked up, so try to discuss it with him.

Phone conversation 1, I bring up how when i am upset I stew on it and then get worked up and distance myself. He talks about all he has going on work wise (that he is doing for us to have a life together) and asks me not to hinder him. I ask him how I would do that. He says he doesn't know.
I suspect he doesn't want me to bring up the issues I am having. I think its the weekend, his schedule starts next week so I should bring it up tomorrow.
He calls me this evening, I say "I thought you were calling to say you'd found the letter". His chirpy tone, becomes disgruntled. He tells me he hasn't even looked for it. I say its a shame. He tells me his paperwork is half a foot deep and just doesn't want to tackle it. I mention something along the lines about it being a shame again. He asks why, I mention to help with my feelings of anxiousness and to give me reassurance.
He groans and grumpily says he will find it and ends the phone call, without the usual "love you, bye". He just isn't taking my need for reassurance and trust seriously.

I am sure many of you have been in otherwise great relationships with someone who makes you feel happy, you love their company and have a shared vision. But have you experienced that and some big red flags?

I will be honest, I am clinging onto what we have and what we could have. Desperatley anxious about my fertility and wanting a family.

We could have a child together, I dont doubt he will do his best, that he will support all he can, love being a dad, take absolute pride and joy in teaching them all his skills.

But I always pictured that joy inside, the excitement the happiness about the thought of planning a family.

The doubt is eating me alive. I just want him to confess and trust he can tell me the truth.

I believe it comes from a good place. He wants to stay with me, he wants to make me happy, he wants to provide and he wants to give me good news.

I also know it could be worse, he could be abusive, he could be nasty, he could cheat, he could...all the things these posts are about.

I want to give him another opportunity or two to confess to me. I have imagined bringing up my doubts again and the fact he asked me to trust him

I imagine saying to him, that I have had doubt uncertainty and anxiety eating away at me for most of our relationship. The consequence is that we aren't as close as we could be and there is the elephant in the room between us . I want to ask him if he is happy with the idea of asking me to keep my anxiety to myself and just sweep it under the carpet. Is he happy for it to affect how I feel and how close we are?

I imagine asking him, would it be so bad if he took the time to be honest with me about everything, to come clean and rebuild our trust and work towards a relationship where we are both happy and secure.

He is reluctant to go there and won't be an open book, he will have closed body language and it will be hard. Has anyone done this before?

OP posts:
user1473878824 · 16/05/2020 23:58

OP, please don’t have a baby with him. Lots of people want a family, doesn’t mean you do it with someone you don’t trust. You’re saying he showed you this letter so it’s fine now - why didn’t he do it when you first asked? He’s telling you things he wants to be true before they’ve happened. Your life is going to be a miserable slog of trying to prove everything before the house of cards collapses.

k1233 · 17/05/2020 00:00

OP you sound high maintenance demanding copies if things.

He sounds irritating by lying and bigging himself up.

You are imagining what you want your relationship to be and your communication being listened to and acted upon. That's imagination, not reality. It's romanticising a situation that will never happen.

You need to understand you can't change people. You will be perpetually unhappy because he will never behave up to your dream standard. He will be perpetually unhappy trying to change his underlying personality. He will never change enough for you.

You're flogging a dead horse and need to get off.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 17/05/2020 00:03

No the point is you aren’t enjoying this relationship and never have. The problem is not the length of your OP, it’s the misery in it. Why on earth are you in this relationship.

Boulshired · 17/05/2020 00:04

You both sound insecure, he lying to impress you and you keep taking leaps of faith with a relationship that is not worth fighting for. If you haven’t had a honeymoon period before children you are certainly not going to have one after.

TheSparklyPussycat · 17/05/2020 00:05

You were quite rightly avoiding being accused of drip feeding, I imagine. No need to delete, IMHO

You say I get myself worked up about the small things and that's something I have to work on as they become big things and then more so over time.

It's the small things that can add up, especially if they are constant! Learning to accept his failings doesn't strike me as a good strategy.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/05/2020 00:31

He lies and as a result you do not trust him. There can be NO successful relationship without honesty and trust.

As far as the ~3 years you've put in, look up 'sunk costs fallacy'. As my dad used to say "Don't throw good money after bad".

You don't have children together, you don't share a home or finances. It's time to break it off and move ahead to find someone you can trust and built a secure future with.

Thedogscollar · 17/05/2020 00:33

Life is too short for you to stay with him and to read this postShock

ConnieDoodle · 17/05/2020 00:39

Omg op. Why are you wasting your time on this man?! You absolutely do not have a shared vision. You do not have the same goals. My god his la k of action would drive men Absolutely to raging! Do you really want to parent with someone who cant be arsed to do anything?

GingerbreadBiscuits00 · 17/05/2020 08:23

Read half and gave up on that.

ShandlersWig · 17/05/2020 08:27

The first part of a relationship is meant to be fun and good times. Yours seems to be very very hard work. You dont appear to be a good fit. OP, he's not the man for you.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 17/05/2020 13:47

I also think he’s gaslighting you: lots of your self criticism I think has his voice.

Seriously get your self esteem sorted and demand MUCH more from anyone you give your heart too. This has never been fun and it should be!!

Been with my DP over thirty years and it’s still fun and nice - that’s what you should aim for!! Not this...

User8008135 · 17/05/2020 22:00

Leave.

It is a long OP but the notable fact is how much of it is positive or happy. Not much. Not enough.

Euclid · 17/05/2020 22:14

OP why did your boyfriend go to stay with you recently when we are in Lockdown? That was very irresponsible.
The relationship sounds awful and you should split up.

HeckyPeck · 17/05/2020 22:14

Firstly OP being with a proven liar is exhausting as you’ve found. How can you trust who lies? I think you need to prepare for the fact that if you stay with him your life will be full of uncertainty and anxiety.

Secondly to all the posters saying it’s too long. Don’t fucking read it then! No need for bitchy posts kicking someone when they’re clearing struggling. You should be ashamed of yourselves. This forum is getting fucking ridiculous with people waiting to pile on to people asking for help.

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