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45 replies

miomymio · 16/05/2020 08:11

I’ve just finished reading A. S. Neill’s book and honestly I’m shocked at how good it sounds? I like his ideas a lot (not that I could ever afford to send my child to Summerhill).

I also watched two old documentaries on it and the place seemed quite alright, a bit hectic, but hectic in a way that reminded me of my household when I was littleGrin

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garbagegirl · 16/05/2020 08:43

I have never heard of A.S Neill or Summerhill school. Is this a fictional place?

Curlyshabtree · 16/05/2020 08:46

A family friend went in the 40’s. Learned nothing except how to make a fire!

miomymio · 16/05/2020 09:46

@garbagegirl really? it’s a democratic school where the children basically do what they like, they don’t have to go to lessons and they make all the rules

@Curlyshabtree I like the idea in theory but I think i’d cry if I paid ~£10,00 a year and my child only learned how to make a fire Grin

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bridgetreilly · 16/05/2020 09:55

I have a friend (now in mid-40s) who went there. It's great for the right sort of child, and truly horrific for the rest, I think.

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 16/05/2020 09:58

A friend of mine went there. He had big gaps in his general knowledge that he was very self conscious about and no formal qualifications at all.
It held him back in life. He eventually went back to education as a mature student.

miomymio · 16/05/2020 10:01

@bridgetreilly I can see it being bad for a quiet child. I think it would’ve been hell for young me, I would’ve been too shy.

@unlimiteddilutingjuice That’s a big shameSad it’s good he had the confidence to go back to education later on

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Elieza · 16/05/2020 12:00

The trouble with not having much knowledge (Like children) is that you don’t know what you should know or could know or what you’ll need to know so you don’t know to study it. If you know what I mean!

SquashedFlyBiscuit · 16/05/2020 15:33

I think its the same as some of the problems with entirely child homeschooling re gaps in knowledge, but also there's the usual hierarchies and bullying of children.

SquashedFlyBiscuit · 16/05/2020 15:33

Child led...

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 16/05/2020 21:21

Didn't Enid Blyton base her 'Naughtiest Girl' series on this place?

A regime policed by its own children. Sounds like heaven to Blyton - and absolute hell on earth to me.

GrimmsFairytales · 16/05/2020 21:25

I think it's a lovely as a concept in a book, or a film, but absolutely awful as a reality for a child.

PorpentiaScamander · 16/05/2020 21:28

@MarieIVanArkleStinks I was desperate to go to Whyteleaf school! I didn't know it was based on a real place.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 16/05/2020 21:29

I find the concept intriguing. Looks great for younger children... But once they get to 14 I think they need 'proper' focused education, to gain qualifications. I think the right child with the parents can achieve that through home education, but a school Luke that may be distracting if the child didn't have enough self discipline

Dita73 · 16/05/2020 21:39

It’s a horrific place

carltonscroop · 17/05/2020 07:02

Do you know it directly Dita73 ?

SheWranglesRugRats · 17/05/2020 07:20

I’m sceptical. The only reason it works is because the children who go there already have the social capital from their family background to succeed without qualifications.

Willowisp2020 · 16/05/2021 15:23

My DC went there and it didn't suit them. IMO I think it suits what parents think children want, or what parents would have wanted i.e choice to go to lessons! Some bits were fab (meetings) but quality of teaching was v poor. It's geared to children who have english as a second language. DC said as soon as they were allowed to everyone just sat around on their 'screens' or were waiting for screen time. Not quite the "adventure in the woods" education I had hoped DC would have. In it's day it was probably fantastic - 100 years ago children were scared of adults and had no freedom. We no longer live in those times and I really hope Summerhill can update and move with the times.

newnortherner111 · 16/05/2021 15:38

I understand it may have been a good idea in the 1920s, but the world has moved on since then. Partly because of the nature of peer pressure and things such as worse diets, I think children are more prone to laziness and need some structure to their learning.

ConcernedCBMum · 16/05/2021 15:57

@Willowisp2020 that's such a shame. With such good child/ teacher ratios you would think a child eager to learn could have an amazing education. Also, since there isn't much 'enforced' the teachers aren't having to waste time with class control. I'm surprised having read about the school that they allow screens at all - it definitely doesn't seem to be what parents would think they were buying into.

skirk64 · 16/05/2021 16:02

It's basically like place I think. No rules or structured learning, the kids can basically do whatever they like.

hoodathunkit · 16/05/2021 16:49

I have been researching Summerhill and other related schools recently and just want to thank skirk64 for that awesome video, darkly funny but also bleakly authentic.

Readers may be interested in this documentary
Summerhill at 70

the video includess children being taught massage at school and also the er, rather unusual, "Pairing Up" ceremony, a kind of temporary marriage ceremony for children where they vow to use their bodies to give their partner pleasure.

The founder of Summerhill, A S Neill, was a massive fan of the controversial psychotherapist Wilhelm Reich, a proponent of gennital massage as a from of psychotherapy.

From Neill’s wiki page

A S Neill
Emotional education trumped intellectual needs, in Neill's eyes, and he was associated with anti-intellectualism.[42] In actuality, he had a personal interest in scholarship and used his autobiography near the end of his life to profess the necessity of both emotion and intellect in education,[43] though he often took jabs at what he saw to be education's overemphasis on book-learning.[44] Neill felt that an emotional education freed the intellect to follow what it pleased, and that children required an emotional education to keep up with their own gradual developmental needs. This education usually entailed copious amounts of play and distance from the adult anxieties of work and ambition.[45] Neill was influenced by Sigmund Freud's theories of psychoanalysis, Homer Lane's interpretation of Freud, and later, by the unorthodox sexual theories of Wilhelm Reich. The reverence for Reich appears in the abundant correspondence between them.[46] Neill accepted Reich's claims about cosmic energy and his utopian ideas on human sexuality. In Reich's view, "discharge" of sexual energy leads to happiness, whereas lack of such discharge leads to unhappiness and "rigidity". Although not a trained therapist, Neill gave psychoanalytic private lessons to individual children, designed to unblock impasses in their inner energies. Neill also offered body massage, as suggested by Reich. Neill later found that freedom cured better than this therapy.[16]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._S._Neill

A school where the teachers held bizarre beliefs about children being sexually repressed and that pretty much all of society’s ills spring from sexual repression, especially the sexual repression of children, I mean what could go wrong? Oh wait….

looptheloopinahulahoop · 16/05/2021 16:52

Michael Portillo went there on one of his recent railway journeys. Interesting that Enid Blyton based her Naughtiest Girl books on it, I did think of those when he was interviewing the principle and her great-granddaughter.

I think it's a bit like home-schooling but more "communal". For me it would be too free and easy - the girl interviewed didn't do Maths GCSE because she didn't want to - well that's not a great decision for the future as you need it for so many jobs - but I am sure the school suits some kids very well. However, I think one function of school is to teach you how to deal with petty officialdom and pointless rules, and if you are home-schooled or go somewhere like Summerhill you won't have that background.

looptheloopinahulahoop · 16/05/2021 16:54

I didn't know about the pairing up ceremony though - THAT wasn't discussed on the programme!

looptheloopinahulahoop · 16/05/2021 16:54

principAL

looptheloopinahulahoop · 16/05/2021 16:55

oh and it was AS Neil's great-granddaughter. I think I need to go back to bed or something.