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Oxfordnono12 · 10/05/2020 12:48

Boris is an absolute joke!

Seriously, what has he done? The amount of people that are going to be affected by this virus is just brutal and all he is doing is, maintaining his up dates. Which sound like really, really, really awful motivational speeches. Can someone explain to me what he is actually doing? Am I missing something?

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Ohtherewearethen · 10/05/2020 14:41

@Oxfordnono12 I wonder if it's because he's got through his life so far being this jolly 'loveable rogue', but intelligrnt enough to play the blustering oaf to his advantage. He has carved out a persona for himself and people have fallen for it. Regardless of whether he is doing his best or not, it is simply nowhere near good enough. It disgusts me that some people have such low standards in this country and will accept anything from the Tories because they didn't like a man called Jeremy and his ideas of making things a little bit easier for millions of people.

Stopmenow123 · 10/05/2020 14:41

"There ain't no PPE"

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emz771 · 10/05/2020 14:43

Corbyn would have ruined the country - and thankfully most people (even Labour supporters) realised that in the election.

To lose such strong Labour strong holds shoes how little trust in him there was.

I do think Labour have a strong leader now though. No way the Tories will win all those seats next time.

Ohtherewearethen · 10/05/2020 14:45

The government grants, the furlough scheme, building over flow hospitals if needed - we get a lot more than most.

Stable doors and horses spring to mind. He is reactionary. And half-arsed at best in his poor reactions to this.

Ohtherewearethen · 10/05/2020 14:46

I do think Labour have a strong leader now though. No way the Tories will win all those seats next time

Oh I hope you're right 🤞🏻

Oxfordnono12 · 10/05/2020 14:46

Yes @Alice but when you've had from December to prepare. There is really no excuse.

@emz771 alot of people are going to loose alot because he cant put protection in place. Including employees that are furloughed.

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BlueStargazer · 10/05/2020 14:47

@Pinkyyy he already had a long break at Chequers in February when he should have been preparing the country for the pandemic. A pandemic was at the top of the UK's national security risk assessment yet we had woefully inadequate supplies of equipment and planning to mitigate the impact. Nothing was done in the weeks leading up to the pandemic to ramp up testing. A decade of underfunding the NHS has contributed to the highest death toll in Europe. Germany took the threat seriously and approached the pandemic with a strategy, comprehensive testing and an adequate healthcare system and has a very low death toll. This government is an incompetent shambles and the rest of the world knows it.

TheVanguardSix · 10/05/2020 14:50

Terrible leadership from the start. I'm sorry he was so incredibly ill. You wouldn't wish it on anyone. But seriously, putting his illness aside, as a PM, he's just totally inept. But we've had terrible leadership in this country for years, so his leadership is just blending in with an already lousy mix of historically poor leadership. Divisiveness thrives in this climate because there truly is a power vacuum. That's one of our biggest problems right now. And it is totally affecting how we're handling this pandemic. It seems everyone's champing at the bit to be the Great Leader but nobody wants to get their boots muddy doing the actual work of leading because quite simply, they don't know how to. It's all a shambles really. We need pragmatic leaders who use common sense and foresight to plan strategically.

OutOfHours · 10/05/2020 14:54

I always find this funny, damned if they do, damned if they don't, last I checked there wasn't a book 'How to handle Covid-19 Global Pandemic for Dummies'
A new virus that little is known about, coming out of a country that isn't known for being open and truthful.

And most (not all) people that moan the most, have done the least research, and listen to the papers like its gospel.

Boris doesn't handle this country single handedly, he has advisory, who are a lot more clued up than you sitting at home thinking you can do better.. And on that note

What would you have done..?

OutOfHours · 10/05/2020 14:55

And before its said, No, I am not part of Boris Brigade, I did not vote for him.

I can, however, appreciate the situation for what it is.

TheSultanofPingu · 10/05/2020 14:58

I swear in ten years time there will still be 'but Corbyn' posts on here. Corbyn is irrelevant now.

emz771 · 10/05/2020 14:59

Thank goodness he is irrelevant - he was well meaning but just so incredibly dangerous.

TheSultanofPingu · 10/05/2020 15:00

Far too much complacency earlier on in the year. The only thing that seemed to matter was Brexit.

MintyMabel · 10/05/2020 15:06

The government grants, the furlough scheme, building over flow hospitals if needed - we get a lot more than most.

I'd agree with this. Whether or not he did or didn't do stuff quickly enough or could have done stuff better (which we won't actually be able to ascertain til it is all over) nobody can argue that his government hasn't gone beyond what most would have expected when it comes to financially supporting the nation. Some things were rolled out quickly, some others took a bit of time to iron out, but the vast majority of people have been far better supported financially than in many other places.

Brainwashed maybe?

What an ignorant comment. Just because other people see things a different way, that doesn't make them brainwashed. Perhaps they just have a different view in life.

I have absolutely no time for Boris Johnson. I cringed when I heard he was to become our next leader. But the onslaught of criticism for everything he does is just becoming monotonous and is frankly unhelpful. The statistical parameters used to beat him with a stick are meaningless, the refusal to see any positives in what the nation is doing will only serve to further reduce the morale of the nation, and constantly trying to divide the nation does not help.

Nothing will change what he did, none of this will affect his path from here. You won't convince him to do anything by ranting on the internet. There will come a time to cast your vote, and if you are actually really bothered about it, get involved rather than sniping from the sidelines.

Oxfordnono12 · 10/05/2020 15:07

@Outofhours Emm.. I'm basing some of my knowledge on the fact that myself and husband are struggling to make ends meet because we have extremely little support from the government! All while supporting our community as much as we can. Firing out rules with no foundation to actually protect the people on their country.
The fact that there is zero PPE for NHS staff to protect themselves. Is that lies?

They had time to prepare, they HAVE the money just won't part with it. But find a way to give themselves money. Is this wrong?

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maddy68 · 10/05/2020 15:09

It's interesting seeing other countries views of our handling of this. Our propaganda press doesn't expand abroad. They are reporting as we were reporting Italy a few short weeks ago!

OutOfHours · 10/05/2020 15:16

@Oxfordnono12
I can not comment on you and your husbands situation, there are a number of variables that change in every different home, but im sorry your struggling to make ends meet, but why do you think thats Boris' fault? (genuine question)

There is not 'Zero' PPE, dont be dramatic.

Your final sweeping statement has no information to it, money for what?

crispysausagerolls · 10/05/2020 15:20

These posts are so stupid. It’s a pretty unique situation. There’s very little anyone could have done differently. He’s just a figurehead who is listening to the advice of the cabinet and medical professionals and then presenting the decisions to the public. He isn’t just waving his willy around at home making up stuff for fun. He’s doing what he is advised to do.

Tbh the whole thing is a farce now as obviously large portions of the population would willingly take a 20% pay cut to chill at home. A lot of reticence around ending lockdown will be people who (will never admit it) just don’t want to go back to work. Hysterically blaming the government for a situation out of their hands is unhelpful.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 10/05/2020 15:35

And on that note. What would you have done..
Well for start banned all travel in and out of the country.
Out us on lock down a lot earlier.
Made damn sure there was more than enough PPE equipment.
Made testing available for everyone not just the privileged looking at you Michael Goves daughter.
Yes i d have probably found it hard, but I didn't sign up to Prime Minister.

crispysausagerolls · 10/05/2020 15:41

Well for start banned all travel in and out of the country

The uproar and backlash to this would have been HUGE!

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 10/05/2020 15:42

Id rather that than have blood on my hands.

OutOfHours · 10/05/2020 17:15

Very easy to say, not so easy to implement

Everyone complains about when we went on lockdown, yet if you look at other timelines, we actually went on lockdown earlier in our timeline than a lot of countries.

For the most part, travel HAS virtually stopped here, I live on the flightpath of major London airports and see about 2 planes a day, usually I step outside and can see at least 6 at any given time, its impossible to stop every single flight though, with medical staff coming and going.

I do agree with you on testing, that should have been made more readily available for everyone from the start, but again, they were in short supply.
This has now changed and you can get a test if you fall into a certain criteria (still having to go out the work etc) Available for all on .Gov if anyone wasn't aware.

Its very easy to sit at home and criticise, even more so when your stuck at home and continue to go over these things, but truth is, the timeline wouldn't have been any different if Joe Bloggs was in charge, because they were following health professionals advice, not just doing what they liked.

Oxfordnono12 · 10/05/2020 19:34

Ahye, so Boris done a great job this evening.. How long do you think it'll be before there is a second lockdown?

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emz771 · 10/05/2020 19:35

Nobody knows do they. We are dealing with the unknown. We all know a second wave is possible.

Oxfordnono12 · 10/05/2020 19:38

It is very scary time!

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