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To think that Boris May also regret...

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hippohector · 07/05/2020 09:43

Reopening schools too early.
He ‘deeply regrets’ the loss of life in care homes. If things had been handled differently at the start, then care homes may not have suffered so badly.
I really hope that we don’t find ourselves in the same situation in a couple of months time if they decide to reopen schools from June 1st.
Children may only suffer mild symptoms, or even be asymptotic, but the potential to spread the virus to their parents, school staff, etc, is a huge unknown still.

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sunglasses123 · 07/05/2020 11:55

These people who dont want to get things moving are either

Not working, SAHP, on benefits/unemployed
Very wealthy
Have health anxiety. I have a SIL who thinks she has everything/about to have it/needs to be checked out every month.

Look at Neil Fergerson. He demanded we lockdown and look what he did!

OneandTwenty · 07/05/2020 11:58

When schools are reopening, it means everything else reopen. You can't tell people it's safe to send children mixing with hundred of other children, and adults, but not safe to do anything else.

There's no such thing as social distancing - which is lifted anyway - once the kids go back to school.

What is depressing is the amount of parents who need school to get rid of their own children to have a bit of "me time". We read it at the end of every holiday, but the so-called lockdown has made it worst.

You can't trust parents not to send their sick kids at school at the best of time, so expect same parents to keep sending their kids even when they are showing symptoms.

OneandTwenty · 07/05/2020 11:59

sunglasses123

I want consistency. I am the opposite of wealthy, I do work full time at the moment, and I have no health anxiety.

I just point out that once it's safe to send my kids mixing with hundred of people, it's fine for me to go to weddings, on holiday and so on. If it's not safe, then I want explanation...You can't have it both ways.

VladmirsPoutine · 07/05/2020 12:08

I saw something about relaxing the rules for domestic workers in homes. Really cackled that so many rich and entitled are struggling to clean their houses and look after their own children. Then remembered those poor domestic workers who have no choice but to risk their lives. The state of this country is a disgrace.

Eeyoresstickhouse · 07/05/2020 12:15

Social distancing will be difficult when schools open. We don't know what plans the government have yet.

But.. those saying if the schools go back it's open season. It's about risk. My child will go back to childcare when it opens as I have to work. Will I then be socialising with everyone else just because she is at childcare? No as that is then increasing the risk even more. We will continue to social distance outside of childcare. You have to look at lessening the risks and chances of you catching it. We cannot stay in lockdown till a vaccine. The damage physically, emotionally, financially to everyone in the country would be too great. If you choose to lockdown until a vaccine that is your choice, but do not blame the people who need to go to work. Take personal responsibility for how you conduct yourself.

OneandTwenty · 07/05/2020 12:19

Take personal responsibility for how you conduct yourself.

but the point is that it doesn't matter how I conduct myself. Once my kids are at school, they will be as close as you can with the children of NHS staff, immigration staff, shop workers, parents who travel, siblings of children from other schools, teachers coming from other towns, commuters.

it will make no difference if I socialise or not.

Ilikefresias · 07/05/2020 12:22

OneandTwenty Has summed up the situation absolutely perfectly. If schools are open the whole of society might as well go back to normal

Artesia · 07/05/2020 12:24

Why is that depressing? Are parents not allowed to need some time to themselves?

PowerslidePanda · 07/05/2020 12:25

OneandTwenty Has summed up the situation absolutely perfectly. If schools are open the whole of society might as well go back to normal

Yep - and if that is the case, we might as well not have bothered having a lockdown in the first place. All the damage of the past 6 weeks will have been for nothing.

Hubei have had this situation under control for a couple of months now and their schools are only going back this week. To even contemplate it here, when we're still getting thousands of new cases per day, is madness.

MinkowskisButterfly · 07/05/2020 12:25

10:19NoMorePoliticsPlease

I do wonder what you think should have been happening at the beginning of this with the imperative to keep people out of hospital and protect the capacity of the NHS? Hindsight- dont discharge older people back to th nursing homes , ok where should they go when they no longer needed a hospital bed?

How about all those empty covid hospitals that have sat empty? Used as a recovery area? Oh but hold on they weren't supposed to be usee were they - they (and leaving people at home to die) were just to make it look like we had it under control. Fuckwits.

TinyTear · 07/05/2020 12:28

not me time, work time. not everyone is furloughed. some of us are handling full time jobs + educating 2 children.

yes, i can't fucking wait for them to go and see their friends and teachers and be learning and happy

i am going slowly mental staying home and even had a breakdown yesterday in a call with my line manager so even if i can't get to the office, just not feeling guilty i am neglecting the children will be better for my mental health.

the kids can go feral but i don't want them to.

Ethelfleda · 07/05/2020 12:32

The thing is, everyone who is adamant that 1st June is too soon don’t have any scientific evidence backing their claims at all. I’m more inclined to agree with the government’s evaluation of the situation and subsequent lifting of measures than I am to believe some of you lot.

People come along and state their fact as opinion so often - a straight down the middle “June is too early” well... how on earth do you know more than the government does??

Showchin2 · 07/05/2020 12:33

For those wondering what we should have done at the beginning of all this I refer you to New Zealand's 'go fast, go hard' approach. They have NO new cases and so few deaths that the prime minister could contact each bereaved family to offer her condolences!
And for anyone saying 'But they have a low population so it was possible there'...they used China as their guide!
Our government are either massively incompetent or incredibly evil. I guess the truth lies somewhere between the two

OneandTwenty · 07/05/2020 12:34

what has changed that makes the 1st June ok , but made us start a "lockdown" back in March?

Care to explain?

Alsohuman · 07/05/2020 12:34

Key workers and their children haven’t been dropping like flies in the last six weeks, have they?

Fluffy40 · 07/05/2020 12:35

The briefings say they won’t break any of their five rules before loosening lockdown. I bet that is very quickly forgotten.

Ethelfleda · 07/05/2020 12:37

I just point out that once it's safe to send my kids mixing with hundred of people, it's fine for me to go to weddings, on holiday and so on

I don’t understand this logic.
Is about the reduction of risk.
You may as well say it’s ok for me to go to a wedding as it is just as risky as me going to a supermarket.

We have to do fewer risky things... and some risky things have a greater reward than others. Risk vs reward... it’s far more important for a child to carry on their education than it is for you to go on holiday.

Bluntness100 · 07/05/2020 12:37

It’s more plausible he would regret doing it,p than not doing it,,because of mass unemployment, abused children, the whole lot. Right through to opening them at the start of flu season, giving us our peak towards year end when nhs capacity is low.

I think any sensible person weighing it up would see he’s more likely to regret not opening them than opening them.

Bluntness100 · 07/05/2020 12:38

Sorry more plausible he would regret not opening them than opening them, that should read.

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Ethelfleda · 07/05/2020 12:39

what has changed that makes the 1st June ok , but made us start a "lockdown" back in March?

Fewer instances of new infection by then to make contact tracing possible.
Greater testing capacity available now than it was in March.
Peak of infection has passed

Etc etc

Ethelfleda · 07/05/2020 12:41

Children need to go back to school. I do not think we will ever a vaccine for this coronavirus, as we have never succeeded in making one for all the other coronaviruses. Why would this one be any different?

Actually... we have never mass produced a Coronavirus vaccine. Successful ones has been made but were never in mass production as they weren’t needed. Check out the Jenner institutes story

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 07/05/2020 12:42

It would be really useful if there was a clear idea of whether children get it at the same rate as adult but are more likely to be asymptomatic OR if children are less likely to get it and therefore not spread it.
If they don't get it as easily then schools re-opening is far less of a risk.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 07/05/2020 12:43

YABU to think Boris regrets anything. He doesn't give a shit about what's going on in care homes beyond how bad it looks for him and how it may affect his position.

Alsohuman · 07/05/2020 12:46

To be fair, he looked pretty chastened when Starmer took him to task yesterday.

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