To ask when you think cleaners will be allowed back into houses?

[Dalamalama]

Not really an AIBU. Just curious when Boris announces he's going to unlock the lockdown will that mean cleaners will be allowed to work again? Will you be happy to have yours back?
I'm self employed and need to get back for the money?

A limited set of businesses had to ' shut up shop'. Your perception may be that it's 95% but that is skewed because to a large extent it's the ones with 'shops', literally - premises which the public go to. There are many other businesses running that you're unaware of because you don't interact with them. Some, of course, may have chosen to suspend or reduce operations for safety or if reduced demand affects their viability.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance

king still waiting for your long list of businesses and services operating fully in your area pal....

I work in the area of justice, trials have been rebooked for November. It isn't just shops that are closed, or leisure and services but many core sectors are not operating at all either.

Cleaners have always been allowed to work. Mine came back 3 weeks ago. My house is big enough to socially distance, I know she’s not working for any other family, her other clients are all my family who aren’t having her, and she lives alone and has a car. We are both happy woth the arrangement

Everything is closed in my area too, same as what biscuit's experience. I am in SE.

It's perfectly obvious that in the example of florists, they have had to close for direct retail but can still do phone orders etc if they want. If you use interflora, that's a florist who is still operating their business. Closed to the public isn't the same as closed. DH had no difficulty ordering flowers for his aunts funeral. But there's doubtless less demand - no weddings etc - so some will doubtless have made the business decision to suspend operations.

'All retail, other than those exempt, must close their premises to members of the public. However, staff may be present to make deliveries or provide services in response to orders such as those through telephone, online, or mail'

Mine has been working throughout though I know most families have cancelled. I just texted her and asked her to start back on Monday. She said she’s has lots of restart requested these last few days. I will take kids out so that our paths don’t cross so risk is minimal IMO.

why did every business in the land close including every single cleaning agency? Why did beauty salons close? Nail bars, hairdressers, shops and even refuse centres and car wash centres that are outside and could more or less safely operate??

I think you are failing to distinguish between those who had to close (unable to operate safely) and those who 'chose' to close (not economical to run).

This is why the economic situation is so much worse than it needed to be.

Far too many businesses shut down when they weren't told to. Far too many people (including on MN) campaigned to make businesses close which could have carried on and enormous pressure was put on businesses to close who wanted to continue and would have been perfectly well within the rules to do so.

The government steps were reasonably measured but the public knew better. And now, somehow, we have to come back from it.

Builders
Nurseries
Takeaways
Florists delivers
Cafes delivers
Fabric Shop delivers
Cleaners
Ironing service
Transport
Mechanics
Car body shop
Nannies
Nursing Homes
Vets
Blacksmiths
Dog Walkers
There's a quick list from round here 'pal' and try not to be so rude

my company is operating fully remotely ( we make books), My ironing service is still operating uninterrupted, i am still have flowers delivered from florist 1 x per week, my cleaner is still working ( albeit not for us currently) my hairdresser is providing colour mixing tools advice and hep for home colouring..... so everything has not entirely stopped at all - I am east anglia (southern bit)

Ffs. There’s no point in replying. Florists are open nationwide. We supply them. Even supply them in Europe. They’ve always been open so not every single business has closed

Biscuit0110, public services have a duty of care to Staff, so they scaled things back. Only justice work that can't be put on hold, is going ahead. You know this.

Many people decided that they would better off financially by shutting up shop. If you are declaring everything you earn, then most decided that they could manage on 80% of wages. The children were off, so they decided to do the same for a variety of reasons, including childcare/public transport issues.

Around me, essential shops are open. The hand car wash is, the florist who also sells bedding plants and now fruit and veg. The print shop is open. Until the forlough scheme was up and running restaurants were doing take out and delivery.

My gardeners and window cleaners are working, probably because they work mainly cash in hand and will get very little, if anything from the forlough scheme. Cleaning firms are still going, they are still advertising on FB. I've hired single item removal vans.

Any business that could practice social distancing was allowed to continue until we knew more about transmission. Now they are allowing two people to travel in a van together.

It was repeated over and over that if you could work from home do so, but if you couldn't then you had to consider if you could work safely. If you could, then you could work.

We have vasts amounts of people who have no recourse to public funds and are on zero hour contracts etc who needed to keep working and the government recognised this. It was either let people work or struggle with the crime rate.

Our cleaner hasn't been to us as she has to take public transport to get here (London) and TFL have been extremely clear that tube/train etc are running for key workers and those who have to work. I suppose I could have made her come but if she was travelling on the tube etc that is an increased risk for her and also then for us. I've been paying her in full anyway. Not sure when she can come back as the public transport risk hasn't gone has it?

There’s quite a lot available where I am, within M25, but no idea if this is the same elsewhere.

Gardeners, window cleaners, ironing and cleaning services still operating. Garden centres mostly closed but taking minimum spend orders by phone, delivering and doing special orders like 3 bags compost, 4 trays of mixed bedding plants, 2 flowering shrubs for a fixed price. Also taking orders by phone for garden furniture, barbecues and anything else they sell.

Bakers, butchers open on a one in one out basis. Local cafes and restaurant doing batch cooked meals like lasagne and delivering. Greengrocer open.

Vets doing photo and video triage and drive through contactless service.

Neighbour had her dishwasher repaired and another neighbour had a new washing machine delivered and installed. Tradesmen working. DH had his car serviced, repaired and MOT.

The cleaner question was answered early on in one of the BBC Q&A sections.

@Biscuit0110 I can help with open businesses: here (South East) many of our local cafes and restaurants are open for takeaway. Most food shops are open including bakers, butchers etc and our cleaner still comes weekly. Our neighbour’s gardener is still working. We are considering a bathroom refit and have got quotes last week from plumbers and tilers who are working. Our street is daily full of workmen and contractors (a tree surgeon has just arrived!). Our local independent garden centre is open because it’s attached to a hardware and pet store. Three local florists are open and have increased their ranges to include gardening stuff. I could go on...

Have you changed your name again king?

My experience:

Builders - closed ( I am still waiting for ours to get back to me, mid job and need a date)
Nurseries - a few open, most are firmly closed
Takeaways - still closed! Only Dominoes delivering still
Florists - closed
Cafes delivers - closed!!!! No cafes are open here
Fabric Shop delivers - Closed - only have one shop left and they are closed
Cleaners - closed
Ironing service - closed
Transport - still operating, every single bus is completely empty
Mechanics - closed
Car body shop - closed
Nannies - no idea
Nursing Homes - of course they are open!
Vets - only offering urgent help. No routines apps are available or offered
Blacksmiths - closed
Dog Walkers - closed.

So your experience is very very different to mine. My experience is reflected in my friends and family areas - small differences and variations but mainly the same.

Biscuit0110 I think you’re living in cloud cuckoo land. There’s no way everything by you is closed no matter how much you’re trying to insist it is.

In my area alone the following have stayed open throughout:
• takeaways (chip shops, kebabs, pizza etc.)
• ironing services
• laundry services
• cleaners
• vets
• florists
• tradesmen (builders, plumbers etc.)
• nannies/childminders
• fresh fish shops
• local cafes and restaurants turned to takeout/delivery

Really sounds shit for you biscuit!
Our tip has reopened this week and others in the area had opened a few weeks ago.
I've had quite a few deliveries from cafes/local restaurants who have converted to take aways. I've also ordered a cake from a local lady. I've had my car valeted (at home) a couple of weeks back. And my window cleaner is coming in for a full conservatory clean next week. Need to keep things going!
Amongst my clients (nationwide) there are different approaches; some are doing their best to keep open and some just shut down straight away with no consideration of safe working etc.

I live in the north cotswolds area, every single thing is closed. Including takeaways that would normally be open. Cafes all closed and not delivering (I asked and apparently it is not viable)

Florists have not reopened, and still have the same note on the door.

I really don't care if you do or don't believe me. That is our area, and many more. It is terrible for the economy, terrible for the country.

The idea that everyone is carrying on in some sort of capacity is not my experience at all.

We've also had a few quotes for a loft conversion (though done remotely) and we are going through a remortgage process with financial adviser + bank.

It's a shame your builder stopped working. I know quite a lot stopped initially because building merchants closed too soon. Then when that reopened the builders started working again.

Pretty much only non essential shops entertainment and restaurants pubs had to close to stop people going out, everyone else could work but preferably from home if that was possible. I own a company we're still fully operational no furlough etc although mainly commercial clients we have worked in residential too. Dh has also been at work (factory) and so has sil another factory although she is classed as essential as its miltery supplies. At lot of companies closed when they didn't have to and used the furlough to pay staff. Cleaners are in this bracket they could have stayed open but chose not to as demand would have been extremely reduced

I’m in the northwest and while lots of places are closed we still have lots open
Hardware shops
Nurseries
Vets
Most restaurants are doing takeaways
Factories
Builders
Painters and decorators
Plasterers
Electricians
Plumbers
Most small independent shops are taking orders and delivering

I am furious about the tip actually. This is pure laziness! I have had various emails from them stating they will not be opening until HM government tells them they can

It is shit, it is so utterly shit. For seven weeks it has been like this. Chinese apparently is considering opening this weekend, I am not sure I even want to use them ever again I am so annoyed. Of course they could work, they choose not to.