Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask what the hell I can do about my mum?

37 replies

CandleFlames · 04/05/2020 16:43

I’m 25 and have had my first baby nearly four weeks ago. Since having him, I haven’t seen any friends or family due to the lockdown and from the day lockdown was introduced (and before that, really) I was in self-isolation with my partner as much as possible, only leaving the house for hospital appointments as I was high risk, so we got online food deliveries etc to make sure we were only making essential trips.

My pregnancy was difficult, I had gestational diabetes and pregnancy induced hypertension and after a week of reduced movements I had a csection at 38 weeks. Afterwards was scary, he didn’t cry and had intermittent grunting and they thought he had an infection, he was also withdrawing from mental health medication I was on so was very shaky, so we were kept in for three days. Luckily he had no infection and he was okay to go home. Hospital was hard as i was very scared and felt very alone with my partner only being able to visit for an hour a day. Obviously I know that so many other women are going through this too so I’m not special case.

Me and my mum have always had a very toxic relationship. We’re either super close or not taking, I’m always trying to please her and she talks down to me and treats me like a child a lot. During my pregnancy she was hard work. My partner had at first wanted an abortion as it was unplanned and he was scared, but after a couple of weeks was fine and wanted to be a dad. After this my mum made comments about how she’d love to tell my son when he’s older that my partner wanted an abortion and that he hadn’t wanted him. She also asked me to go to a solicitor to get grandparental rights to my son so that if anything happened to me my partner couldn’t have him. Obviously I said no. She did things such as putting up posts about my pregnancy but in weird ways; she told me she wanted other people to ask her if she was having a baby so that she could say ‘no I’m going to be a granny’. She told me she’d be disciplining my son how she saw fit in her house and if I didn’t like it don’t come over. She invited her friends to go for a walk with just her and my son when he’s here; even though I didn’t know who this friend was. When I told her I would get child care for my son when he was older so I could return to work, she said that was absolutely not happening and he’d be going to her. She demanded to me in my csection even though I told her I didn’t want to be at the hospital, I wanted it to be just me and my partner, eventually she sat me down and said ‘your dad and I have decided your partner should be in the csection with you (as if it was her choice) and then said ‘but I will be holding him first after you and your partner because I deserve that and I’ll be so pissed off if anyone meets him before me.’

I’m actually glad the lockdown happened when it did because it’s been nice to have a break!

Since having my baby it’s been even odder. We FaceTime her and she will tell me my son just wants to meet her and knows her voice and is smiling at her (when he has wind lol). If he starts crying she will say it’s because he wants to see her to make me feel guilty. She has posted photos of my son that I have taken at home and caption them ‘He’s smiling for granny’. She has uploaded a profile photo of her when she was pregnant years ago.

She decided to ‘self isolate’ seven weeks ago and hasn’t left the house even though dad is still working and my sister is too. She refused to take my two younger siblings out at all so they have been stuck in the house for seven weeks. She heard lockdown might be somewhat lifted this week and messaged me to say I’ll get to see my grandson soon.

Last night my partner and I had a chat and decided that we were going to carry on isolating from people until our son has at least had his 8 week jabs. We want to see what happens when lockdown is relaxed and don’t want to jump into outings too soon in case things get worse again. I told her this because I didn’t want her to expect to see him.

She hung up on me and started posting online about how she had self isolated for nothing. She then texted me saying she had done it all for me, even though I had never asked her to, in fact I encouraged her to go for walks. She told me she’s the only one that’s done it properly and that me and my partner had not been following guidelines anyway for going for a few short walks around an empty pond. She has told me her kids have been locked in for seven weeks because of me. I have never asked her to self isolate and have encouraged her to take her children for walks. She has made me feel really bad, saying how she thought she’d be seeing her grandson so it was all for nothing and now her children have suffered because of it.

She’s since texted me being really blunt and rude, and so I have told her it’s best we don’t speak for a while if she is going to continue being like this. She just replied ok. It’s the first time I’ve ever stood up to her and I don’t know how to feel about it but I don’t want my son to grow up with a complex like I have. I’m in therapy for issues with my mum, and my therapist is really proud of me for making this progress. But I know my mum is going to end up using all of this against me and tell others that I am keeping her grandson away from her to make me seem awful. So what do I do? Do I keep my distance from her? Contact her in a few weeks to FaceTime my son? I just don’t know where to go from here.

OP posts:
Wildlingyoumakemyheartsing · 04/05/2020 16:52

Your mum is incredibly narcissistic. Mine is very similar actually. You need to either go strongly with boundaries and with you and your partner both being on the same page and repeating 'No, that won't work for us' or you need to go LC

Don't contact her. It will always be your fault when actually you have the right to make decisions for your own child.

What does your partner think of her? The comment that she will tell your son his father didn't want him IMHO is disgusting and deserves no contact.

MzHz · 04/05/2020 16:52

Please love, make the break from this person permanent.

Stop FaceTime, stop calling, stop it all.

Wildlingyoumakemyheartsing · 04/05/2020 16:53

Oh and...Flowers

Mums like that are incredibly difficult and it's the worst timing to go LC but you are doi g the right thing for your baby if she won't respect your rules and decisions.

NearlyGranny · 04/05/2020 16:54

I think there is a strong case for going low contact for a bit, here, if not no contact! Definitely make sure you can't see what she's putting on SM.

So sorry this special time is being soured for you like this: there is more than enough for you to cope with already! How on earth did she know what your DP said? Do you need to be super careful what you tell her, or did he say it in front of her? You need to protect your child from ever hearing that. It could do enormous damage, and if your DP has quite got over those feelings and stepped up for his child, it needs to be thoroughly buried.

Leaannb · 04/05/2020 16:56

You stop giving her headspace and just take care of your son. Your mother is extremely manipulative and toxic and you really need to realize this. The way you feel right now your son will feel later. She will do this in front of your son and when he gets older she will treat them the same way. . So ask yourself these questions.

  1. Do you like feeling this way
  2. Do you want your son to feel this way?
  3. Can you control your mothers words and actions?
  4. Whose words and actions do you control?
Aquamarine1029 · 04/05/2020 17:00

Congrats for standing up for yourself and setting boundaries. Don't stop now. Remember, you are in charge of your life, not her. I would continue to distance myself from her. She sounds unhinged and very narcissistic.

CandleFlames · 04/05/2020 17:04

Thanks everyone. My mum asked how my partner felt about it two days after we found out and he said he wasn’t ready to be a dad. That was it.

OP posts:
5foot5 · 04/05/2020 17:04

I know this must be terribly hard for you because she is your Mum and you have had this all your life. But really there is so much wrong with this going by things in your post.

When I told her I would get child care for my son when he was older so I could return to work, she said that was absolutely not happening and he’d be going to her. Not her decision in the slightest she has no right to demand this. Do NOT let this happen.

She told me she’d be disciplining my son how she saw fit in her house and if I didn’t like it don’t come over. Easy one there then - just don't go over.

After this my mum made comments about how she’d love to tell my son when he’s older that my partner wanted an abortion and that he hadn’t wanted him. WTF is wrong with her??

It sounds like you have a supportive partner. You seriously need to limit contact to your Mum. I think you know that.

How close do you live? When the current weird time is over can you possibly move further away?

zscaler · 04/05/2020 17:05

She sounds awful, I’m so sorry. You’ve already done so well by standing your ground with her.

At this stage, I would leave the ball in her court. Wait for her to get in touch, and when she does tell her she can have a relationship with your son on your terms only. That way she will know that if she crosses boundaries you are prepared to cut her out. You’re going to have to be incredibly clear and consistent about reinforcing your boundaries every single time she tries to trample them. Make sure she knows that the thing she wants - time with your son - is entirely dependent on her toeing the line.

WiddlinDiddlin · 04/05/2020 17:06

Throw away the whole DM.

PippaPegg · 04/05/2020 17:10

She is going to badmouth you to others no matter what you do.

Let that sink in a minute.

No matter how kind you are, how forgiving you are. She will badmouth you. It's all part of her game to keep you under control and afraid of her.

Anyone who believes her twaddle isn't worth knowing. Even if those people are related to you, sorry.

You may as well go Nc and get on with your life in peace.

Congrats on your LO. Don't let her suck out any more joy from your life than she already has. You deserve happiness.

NiteFlights · 04/05/2020 17:13

What a horrible situation for you. I agree with pp that although it will be tough, your boundaries need to be absolutely rock solid here. Personally I think it sounds like you should cut contact with her as she sounds irredeemably toxic but obviously that’s your call.

Once lockdown lifts could you arrange therapy specifically for support on this issue? It would be really useful to have a third party’s input and support on this.

If you let her, your mother will destroy your relationship with your partner and seriously damage your child. So please be strong and if you waver, think about your precious baby being exposed to such toxicity. You have been through enough, you don’t have to put up with this terrible behaviour.

RRocket · 04/05/2020 17:29

Have you posted about this before? It sounds familiar.

Rubyupbeat · 04/05/2020 17:29

How can she be dictating such things to you, when she can't be arsed to take your 2 siblings out? Poor kids.

AndMyHairWillShineLikeTheSea · 04/05/2020 17:38

Christ, get as far away from that woman as possible. She will be a nightmare.

itsnotcakeitsbaby · 04/05/2020 17:51

Congratulations on your little one!

Your mum sounds completely batshit. If you want to keep contact, I would:

  1. Have a conversation with her when you're ready (can be a text if you want) saying something like: While I'm glad you're happy to be a granny, your behaviour is crossing the line into inappropriate. DP and I are in control of what happens in our lives and our child's life, not you or anyone else. I am making choices that work for my family. I am not prepared to tolerate abuse or insults for that, and I won't be dictated to. If that's too difficult for you to accept, I would need to rethink how much contact I have with you, which would of course include DC too. I really hope it won't come to that and you will respect what I'm saying. (DO NOT MINCE YOUR WORDS OR SOFTEN THE MESSAGE.)
  1. Cut her off from any additional information that you wouldn't give to a work colleague. So you can tell her generally how things are going, with a smile, but no details or plans.
  1. Any time she ever stipulates what will happen (she will discipline as she sees fit, baby will go to her while you work, etc) laugh as if she's made a hilarious joke and say "no, that won't be happening." Repeat as necessary.
  1. Any time she tries to guilt trip you, start with, "this is not about you." If she carries on, move onto "like I said, it's not about you. Can you please stop?" If she still carries on, remind her of the conversation: "remember when I said that I'm not going to be dictated to and I hoped you would respect my choices? This is exactly what I was talking about. It's inappropriate, please stop." If that doesn't work, leave the conversation/hang up/block etc.
  1. Do not go to her house. Ever. You want neutral ground or your territory at all times.
Inthepurplerain · 04/05/2020 17:54

It sounds like you need to cut contact to be honest. It’ll never end and continuing will just drag your child into this too.

Good luck!

MillennialPink · 04/05/2020 18:34

You have received a lot of sensible suggestions here about how to have reasonable, firm conversations with your mother. Unfortunately, your mother has a personality disorder and, as I'm sure you have found in the past, you can't have a "reasonable" conversation with a person like this. If it were me I would break off all contact, block her number and put her entirely out of your mind. She brings absolutely nothing good to your life and you owe her nothing in return. Good luck Flowers

peoplepleaser1 · 04/05/2020 18:46

OP you've had some really good advice on this thread but if you ask for advice on the relationships board you'll get great advice and also support from people who have been and still are in a similar situation.

VisionQuest · 04/05/2020 18:54

She sounds utterly evil. Just cut her out of your life OP. Don't let her get her claws into your baby, she will poison him against you as he grows up.

CHIRIBAYA · 04/05/2020 18:57

'It's the first time I've ever stood up to her', well done and don't ever underestimate the courage that this takes. So now you know that you CAN, you need to know that every time you do this it will get a tiny bit easier until one day you will do it without thinking. Giver youself time, keep up with your therapy, keep working on those boundaries - narcissists are past masters at violating the boundaries of other people - and use whatever support you need to see it all through when things get challenging. Also be prepared for kick-back when she sees that you are changing, she will use every trick in the book to coral other friends and family members against you. She is out of touch of the emotional reality for anyone but herself; now is the time for you to be true to yours.

Windyatthebeach · 04/05/2020 18:59

I remember your previous thread. Congratulations on your baby.
Block your dm. She has no legal rights at all to your baby. Report to fb and get any pics removed.
Lots of men and women have wobbles about a pregnancy!
Your dm is toxic. As a dm it's your duty to keep her away from your baby.

Sn0tnose · 04/05/2020 19:09

You know how she’s always been with you? Nice one minute and then completely horrible the next minute, when you don’t do exactly what she wants?

What makes you think she won’t treat your son the same way?

SomeBunny · 04/05/2020 19:11

Your mum is behaving dreadfully and this is the last thing you need with a newborn baby to take care of.

You do not owe a relationship to someone who treats you badly. You certainly don’t owe her a relationship with your child, who I’m sure is the most precious thing in the world to you.

It’s ok if you don’t feel ready to cut her off forever right now, or if you don’t feel ready to have a big heavy conversation about her behaviour. I certainly wouldn’t have had the emotional bandwidth for that newly postpartum. I do think you should give some thought to blocking her, at least temporarily. You can send her a message first if you feel you need to letting her know you’re taking some space. Then focus on this time with your partner and your little one.

CandleFlames · 04/05/2020 19:18

Thank you everyone for all the great advice. I have also posted in the relationships section as advised. It’s made me feel a lot better and less guilty.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread