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Groundhog Day - Is there any way out of this?

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LouiseCollina · 01/05/2020 04:46

I'll try to make this as concise as possible but be warned it's going to be a long one: My aunt (who I absolutely adore) is in her early seventies. Her husband passed away twenty years ago and she lives abroad with her son and his wife. She had emigrated many moons ago to the US, met her husband there and raised a family. Her son, my cousin, is relatively wealthy and can afford to rent an apartment for his mother should she choose that, but she decides instead to live with her son, his wife and their DD.

There are a few issues here: My aunt is a wonderful person, but there is a constant (sometimes low-sometimes high) level negativity that she emits in various ways. It is all related to a dissatisfaction she feels with her own life, which has negatively impacted her mental health. When her husband passed there was no life insurance and anyone familiar with the US knows what that means. If it wasn't for her sons comfortable status, she would be financially screwed.

I know that my aunt would be capable of living a quality life independently, but she just refuses to accept my cousins offer of paying her rent. Instead she chooses to live with her son and his wife, going around the house sighing all day every day, generally making her misery felt like some sort of forcefield around her, moaning, muttering, complaining and snapping anytime anyone asks her what's wrong or how they can help. Needless to say this has put an unreasonable strain (to say the least!) on my cousins marriage.

This has been going on for the entirety of his marriage and at this stage I think my cousins wife is a walking saint. She certainly loves the bones of my cousin because I have seen this situation with my own eyes many times and believe me most women would have walked out by this point. The constant huffing and sulking, the crabby crotchety attitude, the narky snapping and - worst of all - the relentless maudlin signs...

I realise that I am not painting the picture of a wonderful person here, but this is only one aspect of her behaviour. The problem is because her mind is obsessively focused on the lack of her own financial independence, it's the side of herself she shows the most. I find I can pull her out of this humour, but to have to do so daily would be hard work. I visit a few times yearly, so that's a different matter. I certainly wouldn't want to be taking someone else's mood on as a challenge every day, especially not if they were under my roof!

I can see the strain this is putting on my cousins marriage and that saddens me. My cousin has only ever done his best for his mother, from paying her mortgage as a very young man not long out of college after his dad died, to renting her several apartments in the twenty years that have since passed, to putting her up in his own home for years at a stretch between apartments, but the central problem and the mood issue that accompanies it has never gone away.

My aunt, when she talks to me about this privately, as she's often done, says the same thing over and over. I swear to God I've never had the same conversation so many times in my life. She'll say "I need my own place." I'll say "Then let Paul help you, let him rent you a place." - "No, I can't ask him to do that again." - "Then your only option is to stay." - "I know I'm not wanted here." And round and round we go. The truth is she's made herself miserable to live with and I don't blame my cousin and his wife for feeling the obvious strain, all that huffing and sighing would send me berserk. She complains constantly about her situation but refuses to allow her son to help her.

I'm very close to my cousin so we've discussed this also multiple times. The problem from his end is he's too soft. I've told him he needs to frogmarch her down to the estate agent and have her pick out an apartment. The thing that's stopping him is guilt. He doesn't want to make her feel unwanted, but her behaviour has bloody well caused her to be unwanted! Who'd want that in their ear all day?!

The underlying issue to all this is mental health, my aunt has been on anti-depressants for a very long time. When she's not in these moods (and even when she is) she's a lovely warm, generous, giving person. She's very giving of herself, she's very empathetic and thoughtful. She hasn't a shred of venom or nastiness in her. Her problems are all inwardly rather than outwardly directed, she just can't help them spilling out of herself and affecting everyone else. I can't fight the feeling though that there is a certain edge of selfishness in the way that she's behaving and I'm not the only one; her daughter in law has told me directly that she resents her at this point.

I finally decided to post about this tonight because I spoke to my cousin and aunt earlier this evening on the phone. My cousin told me that his mother is just knee-deep back in this rut again and when I spoke to her we just ended up back in that circular conversation - "I know I'm not wanted here" - "You need your own place" - "I can't afford my own place" - "Let Paul help you, he'll rent you a place" - "No."

This time I'd fucking had enough, we've been having this conversation for years. I said "Look, I'm not doing this groundhog day conversation again. I've told you my opinion over and over. You need your independence. You need your own place." She just said "I'm getting off the phone. I'm going now. Goodbye." She didn't bang down the phone. I said "Okay, I'll call you tomorrow. Take care."

So when I call tomorrow, what the fuck do I say? Is there any way out of this? If I can convince her to allow my cousin to rent her an apartment and then to return to counselling (which she obviously needs) on the other side of lockdown, it would lift a huge strain off everybody. They are my family and I love them. Please be honest and give it to me straight. What exactly should be done here? Maybe you'll all see something I'm too close to see. Somethings got to give. This has just become so difficult to watch.

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PapayaCoconut · 01/05/2020 05:53

Your cousin needs to tell her that the current situation is making everything unhappy, that she needs her independence and that he absolutely insists on renting her somewhere.

Everyone involved wants her to move, but your aunt is not comfortable asking her son to spend that money. He needs to make it really clear that he thinks the best thing for her is to get her own place, for her own independent and mental health and over emphasise strongly how incredibly happy he is to be able to help her with this. He should say something about how he's so grateful to his mother for everything she's done for him when he was a child and now he wants to return the favour, etc etc. Make her feel like it's his privilege to do this. (And he might very well feel that way if she's been a good mother, which it sounds like she has been.) DH sends money every month to his mother and he's proud to be able to do this, never resentful, because of everything she did for him growing up. She doesn't feel uncomfortable about it either. Family life is about helping each other and knowing when to get out of reach other's hair.

The current situation sounds like a recipe for divorce. I'm sure she'd feel even worse if she was the cause of that...

LouiseCollina · 01/05/2020 06:11

Thank you for your response and for reading my very long post Papaya. I've told my cousin that many times. It feels like causing a shift in this situation is either going to involve confronting my aunts stubbornness or my cousins guilt. You're probably right; I should take my chances with the guilt!

He's nothing to be guilty for by the way, he's always been a great son. It is just tough when your mother's in her elderly years and she's carrying on like this. He doesn't know where to turn. He's caught between confirming his mothers sense of abandonment or heaping relentless stress on his wife. And yes, I agree, it is a recipe for divorce. I'd say most marriages would have folded by now. I know mine would!

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billy1966 · 01/05/2020 06:20

OP,

I am going to be harsh.

Paul and his mother are both very selfish.

What a nightmare for his wife.
Does he have kids?

You paint a picture of an utterly miserable house, dominated by the low mood of this woman, left unchallenged by her weak son.

She needs it spelt out to her.

Her miserable manner has sucked the joy out of her son's marriage and home.

There is every reason to believe she could cause their marriage to fail.

Does she want to be responsible for this?

If she doesn't want to be responsible for this, move out asap and get her ddose of antidepressants upped or adjusted.

Tell Paul he is selfish too.
If his wife were to leave him, he deserves no better, having allowed his mother to be such a selfish cow for 20 years.

I hope they don't have kids.

How could they allow their children to grow up amongst such negativity.

You have been to diplomatic OP.

Spell it out clearly.

She is extremely selfish.
She needs to move asap.

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Modestandatinybitsexy · 01/05/2020 06:30

Maybe she could move somewhere with an elderly community, start building her own life and hopefully finding some pleasure in it instead of hanging onto her sons coattails?

LouiseCollina · 01/05/2020 06:35

My cousin has been with his wife about twelve years. They were married for a good while before they had their daughter, she's just gone four and an absolute dote. There is no way though that she won't be absorbing the atmosphere in the environment, as all children do. In fact the younger children are the more susceptible they are to vibes, in my opinion.

I struggle with the idea that my cousin is selfish, when I've watched him being selfless towards his mother for so long, though I see where you're coming from in that I'd probably have a different opinion if I was his wife! And that's another worry, that in time it would be only natural for her resentment towards her MIL to shift to her husband, and the writing would be on the wall for any marriage after that.

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PicsInRed · 01/05/2020 06:45

When did the mother move in?

What it approximately when wife was pregnant or had the baby?

How much of this does cousin actually deal with? If he is usually out at week, is it you listening to this on the phone and cousin's wife managing her MIL day to day?

LouiseCollina · 01/05/2020 06:52

Well thankfully there's an ocean between me and this situation but yes it's a regular feature in conversation and both my cousin and his wife deal with it daily. The last time she moved in was about six or seven years ago, before the child was born.

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Aposterhasnoname · 01/05/2020 06:54

If I were Paul, I’d be telling her, not asking, that I was renting a place for her. She could help choose it, or I’d choose somewhere myself. Then I’d move all her stuff in, drop her off, and change the locks at my own house.

PicsInRed · 01/05/2020 07:15

If you're interested, I would google "enmeshment" and possibly "parentification".
It will give you a probable idea of why your cousin is like this. As an adult, it's a choice and he is choosing to ruin his wife and child's lives rather than dealing with the issue himself.

As for yourself, there may be a bit of emneshment too and you, too, have the choice whether or not to continue to engage on this matter - which you seem to have put into action. I would take a big step back from this. You cousin is using you as one of the 3 female crutches (cousin, wife, child) to shield him from dealing with his own mother.

He is, indeed, very selfish.

SavoyCabbage · 01/05/2020 07:29

He is taking the easy way out by letting things just be as they are. He's in the unusually fortunate position that he can afford to pay for her to have somewhere nice to live, but he's just letting all,of this unhappiness carry on.

Really he is making the choice between his mother and his wife and child as if things are really this bad, his wife will take the decision out of his hands and she will end her marriage to get away. Imagine what her mates must be telling her!

Ilovetea09 · 01/05/2020 09:44

His wife is a Saint your right. I think you are very nice also keeping in such regular contact with her even though she's in another country and sounds difficult.
If I was you I'd take a step back. Your cousin and wife have accepted this for whatever reason, and only they can change it. It is not really your problem. When she moans about it to you just change the subject

PapayaCoconut · 01/05/2020 17:09

@PicsInRed makes a very interesting analysis. I think there's a lot of truth in it.

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