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to think savings will be worthless?

243 replies

HopelessLayout · 29/04/2020 16:35

So governments are printing money hand over fist to cover all the Covid bailouts. Isn't this going to cause hyperinflation when it is all over?
I have modest savings put away for my retirement in a few years' time, but perhaps I should just blow the lot now.

Please tell me if I am misunderstanding the situation.

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Womanlywiles · 29/04/2020 22:15

I would personally do the home improvements. No-one knows what the future holds and at least you know how much it will cost now, it's possible prices could go up.

TiddleTaddleTat I am thinking about the same with our home, I am thinking if we still have enough equity and can still get a construction loan, I know we can afford it right now, while who knows the future? We want to get our home to a point where we are very happy and then stay put, pay off the house, while investing like maniacs. This will involve a modest extension to open up the house to the West and South adding skylights etc. Energy efficiency is a goal for the build too. It's still important to enjoy every day life and having a lovely home is a stress reliever. We bought this house with the understanding we would update it, so that is still our goal.

Cailleachian · 29/04/2020 23:02

Even tho, I would highly recommend bitcoin (and other cryptos, but people should always start with btc) I agree with @Noextremes2017 you need to understand how it works and know how to keep them safe before you get involved with crypto.

SonjaMorgan · 29/04/2020 23:17

Do you have any idea how lucky you are to be able to save anything at all? It's not fortunate to have to borrow to survive. I say this as someone that is financially somewhere in the middle...

@KindnessCrusader
I am very aware of how fortunate I am. I clawed my way out of debt by living very frugally whilst working at a minimum wage job.

nauticant · 29/04/2020 23:46

Since there's been talk of buying gold, silver, and stocks, here's a website to play with:

www.longtermtrends.net/stocks-vs-gold-comparison/

Have a play with different timescales to look at comparative performances. A few things worth noting. Over the very long term gold and silver underperform. It's worth understanding that stocks can provide dividends while gains from gold and silver rely solely on the increases in their base values. Gold and silver can perform well in the shorter and medium terms but you've got to buy and sell at the right times. Seeing when that was in hindsight by looking at a chart is easy, predicting it looking forward is very difficult and most people get this wrong.

Womanlywiles · 30/04/2020 01:45

Agreed nauticant on gold. The article I linked to I liked as it describes gold as a small part of a diversified portfolio and is a hedge against unusual circumstances that are very hard to predict. Serious precious metal trading is not for the faint hearted.

Joywillcomeagain · 30/04/2020 03:05

This thread is fascinating! I havea big chunk in a post office savings account (after a house sale due to divorce) and I'm worried about it now. If you have savings like that and hyperinflation happens and you don't touch them will they still be there when things calm down? Sorry if that's a stupid question. How do they get "wiped out".

Joywillcomeagain · 30/04/2020 03:06

If I get any spare time between working and looking after my dd I will get myself a bit of a financial education!

Bristolbitsandbobs · 30/04/2020 07:18

@nauticant that is misleading though. No pro investor would not have a globally based portfolio. Those results are effectively unachievable. It does take into account the cost of ownership or instrument. Great chart, but not on its own.

@Womanlywiles I’d also caution money market accounts. They are not a risk free investment, or protected, unlike bank deposits.

Chippytea3 · 30/04/2020 07:46

Vanguard have a range called their a life strategy funds going through all levels of risk. They invest either 20% in shares and 80% in bonds and then have four other versions at 40/60 60/40 80/20 and 100% shares to cover all risk levels.

Their funds are low cost, well diversified globally and have a good performance record (They have held up well in this latest crash)

They also now have their own platform to hold the funds on too.

If you want to invest and it’s not a substantial pot; then they may be a good starting point to look.

Markets are still risky at the moment though. There is no clear light at the end of the tunnel.

Reginabambina · 30/04/2020 07:48

Now is a brilliant time to invest.

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 30/04/2020 09:29

Interesting thread. Marking my place as we're approaching our savings target of about 6 months living expenses in an emergency fund and wondering what to do with additional cash month to month - whether to overpay on mortgage or invest in home improvements (once we feel comfortable having tradespeople in the house again).

We're in a very similar position, though the home improvements are more of a longer term project and I'm starting to think more than six months buffer might be desirable in the circumstances.

I'm leaning towards carrying on with mortgage overpayments, as it's not a massive amount. We were only overpaying about £150 a month max. If you feel happy with the amount of emergency cash savings you have, I think the overpayments make sense.

EuphegeniaDoubtfire · 30/04/2020 10:10

Would now be a good time or a bad time to overpay our mortgage?

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 30/04/2020 10:45

I think that depends very much on your circumstances Euphegenia. Especially at the moment.

Probably most people would say having a savings buffer has increased in importance because of the pandemic. This will vary according to job. So if you're in a sector where you're unsure what it'll look like this time next year, you would likely prioritise saving in case of redundancy more highly than you would if you're a teacher.

RosesandIris · 30/04/2020 11:01

Could someone recommend a good way to invest money currently in an ISA getting low rates of interest, for at least a year? It may be needed after that for a house purchase. What would be a good choice with Vanguard, for example?

Bristolbitsandbobs · 30/04/2020 11:15

There is no way to invest for a year. Investing is a long term undertaking. You are at risk of taking a real loss if you put your money in the markets for such a short time.

RosesandIris · 30/04/2020 11:19

Part of it will be invested over longer term. It just may be needed in a year.

EuphegeniaDoubtfire · 30/04/2020 11:40

I'm a buyer for a house builder. I'm hoping it'll be safe. They're opening up sites again next month so fingers crossed!

BarbaraofSeville · 30/04/2020 11:51

Even if savings aren't expected to grow, and may even lose their purchasing power, you should still aim to have some cash available for annual and irregular expenses plus a cushion in case of income loss. How much this needs to be obviously depends on your fixed costs and job stability.

A frugal person with low bills and a very stable job would need less ready cash than someone who may lose a high paying job and need to keep paying a big mortgage etc and might struggle to find a similarly paid role, especially in times like these where you might have more people competing for fewer jobs.

As you might need this money quickly, it needs to be cash or cash like as you don't want to have to access investment income when the market is low. Eg if someone had £10k in a FTSE tracker fund at the beginning of this year, it would have lost around a third of its value by mid March, when it became clear how bad coronavirus was going to be. It's recovered a bit now, but I'd regard the stock market as extremely volatile for the next few years at least. Unless we get negative interest rates, your cash at least keeps the same value, even if it doesn't have the same purchasing power.

As for interest rates, you can still get slightly over 1%, so all those who've received letters from your savings provider telling you that your interest rate is now 0.1% or whatever, look at moving your money. But it's up to you whether you decide that it's worth the effort - 1.2% on £10k is £120 per year and it's not taxable unless you have a lot of savings and are a very high earner. On 0.1% the annual interest is £10 per year.

I'm in two minds about premium bonds. The closer you get to the maximum, the more chance your prizes will match the average payout of 1.4%. If you have less than £10k, with average luck, you could get little or nothing, or you could get a few extra prizes and get more than this, plus there's also the admittedly very small chance of getting a much bigger prize. So you're effectively gambling the interest that you'd definitely get in a savings account against the chance of getting a better return, with no risk to your capital. You can also get the money back within about a week, so almost like cash.

You should only put money at risk if you can afford not to touch it for several years or more because it could lose a lot of value. Over time the stock market should go up more than cash, but it's far from guaranteed, so you need to avoid having to take it out at a certain time, in case that time coincides with when the market is low, like now. Anyone who put all their money on the stock market and has now lost their income, faces losing a lot of money if they need to sell investments now.

Paying off any debt, including mortgage debt, is usually a good thing, as it reduces your outgoings, and the interest rate may be higher than what you get on savings, but it's not always the case. Some debt attracts zero or very low interest, such that you can sometimes beat the interest rate, even with cash savings. Eg our mortgage interest rate is currently 0.5% but we're getting 1.2-5% on savings, so not rushing to pay the mortgage off, but have money to throw at it any time that the balance tips the other way, plus it allows unlimited overpayments so the money can be moved over at any time.

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 30/04/2020 12:01

In something as unpredictable as that Euphigemia I think I'd probably hold fire for a couple of months and keep saving, see how the land lies in summer. But that's just me.

Bargainhuntbore · 30/04/2020 12:42

Zero savings here. I have a debt which is coming down but wont be debt free for another 3 years. My own fault and up to me to get rid if it, but it wasn’t down to extravagant living. Shit term time job for 7 year. Now working 30 hours a week and in a better position.

Anyhow, im saving for Christmas/birthday/weekend away/holiday in envelopes in the house. I like to see the money growing.

Otherwise no savings for anything else

scaryreading · 30/04/2020 13:09

I have a vanguard account recently opened. Was recommended.

MSE forums are helpful

Bristolbitsandbobs · 30/04/2020 13:11

Part of it will be invested over longer term. It just may be needed in a year

Well the bit that is long term you can invest, but not if it 'may' be needed in a year. If in a year it's worth 80p in the £1, what would that be like for you?

Womanlywiles · 30/04/2020 17:40

Bristolbitsandbobs Money Market accounts are insured up to $250k in the USA so if that is not the case in the UK of course don't put your money in them! They are considered a safe investment here.

Perhaps what you were thinking of is Money Market Funds which are something completely different in the USA.

That only reiterates the point that we should always understand the level of risk we are taking on and when we are likely to need the money we are investing.

NWojtanowski · 30/04/2020 17:49

I have to note that was probably the best explanation of money that I have ever seen in my life. Simple, to the point, and easy to get the gist of it all. Grin

winniestone37 · 30/04/2020 17:55

Isn’t this just quantitative easing? We’ve been here before.

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