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Grammar police I need your help please [title edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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CareBear50 · 26/04/2020 15:20

First world problem I know, but this conundrum is driving me slightly batty. Is it "a Hawaiian" pizza or "an Hawaiian pizza"??

I understand that if a noun or adjective starts with the letter h , if the h is silent eg heirloom, you would say an heirloom. However, if it's a hard h sound then you would say eg a hairline fracture.

However a Hawaiian pizza is harder to say than an Hawaiian pizza....so which is correct please??

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TheSandman · 26/04/2020 23:05

TheSandman - so now we have not only the Grammar Police, but the Spelling Police too !

May I introduce you to Sgt. Dribble of the Punctuation Flying Squad who will now issue you with a caution about the unwarranted use of spaces before exclamation marks.

peperethecat · 26/04/2020 23:08

I think the rule is that if the word starts with H and the emphasis is on the second syllable, it's "an".

A holiday, a hospital, an hotel, an Hawaian pizza.

MusicTeacherSussex · 26/04/2020 23:13

As far as I can tell, Hawaiian language pronounces its H. So a Hawaiian. Not an an 'awaiian.

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 26/04/2020 23:18

I've never heard an hotel before so I find it interesting it's mentioned so many times here

peperethecat · 26/04/2020 23:19

I think grammar pedants tend to say an hotel and normal people tend to say a hotel.

mum11970 · 26/04/2020 23:22

I’d definitely say ‘a Hawaiian pizza’.

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 26/04/2020 23:26

I am afraid dictionary says A hotel.
www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/hotel

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:26

The word ‘hotel’ has been in use in the English language long enough to be thoroughly nativised, and no native speaker would say 'an oatelle' (unless they are a tosser).

Wrong I was brought up to say "an otel" by my upwardly mobile middle class parents - am 57 and they were very proper and it was the "done thing" in their day 😏

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:27

Also only allowed to watch BBC but that's a whole other conversation 😬

Lynda07 · 26/04/2020 23:28

MyBlueMoonbeam, I too used to say that but it is not said now.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:29

@Lynda07

Probably is in some leafy corner of middle England 😅

Lynda07 · 26/04/2020 23:29

PS: I never knew there was anything 'middle class' about it, I don't think there is. It's just a way of saying something which at one time was popular. I was actually corrected when I used it at school and I'm 70.

Lynda07 · 26/04/2020 23:30

Hee hee, like Birmingham?

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:36

Maybe not - I just thought it was as our lifestyle was totally 60s/70s middle class stereotype - you weren't a Forces child too were you @Lynda07?

alexdgr8 · 26/04/2020 23:36

an hotel is the correct form i thought.
i've often heard and read it.
i don't say it because i have not been anywhere for 14 years, and even then preferred an motel, esp express by holiday inn, excellent breakfast.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:37

Bahaha I think you know what I meant 😉

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:39

@alexdgr8

I think we are "of a certain time" or our parents were at least 😆

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 26/04/2020 23:41

an motel
😱

alexdgr8 · 26/04/2020 23:43

think i must have been subliminally influenced by crossroads on tv when young; and i didn't even know what a motel was then.
think i assumed it was what they were called in the midlands. a midlands hotel = a motel, seems reasonable.
i also didn't realise that westerns were set 100 yrs ago-ish. as they were called westerns i thought that's how they lived in the western part of america, contemporary. after all they weren't called, tales of the west in the olden times, or the last century. very confusing.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 26/04/2020 23:46

Love it 😊

Adoptthisdogornot · 26/04/2020 23:50

An 'aircut
A haircut
I think it's just whether the h is hard or soft (or silent)?

Monty27 · 26/04/2020 23:52

OP surely it depends orally whether or not you aspirate the aitch. Written should always be AN as per the rules of written English 😉😅
Btw don't give up your day job 😁😁

isitorisntit · 27/04/2020 00:03

If it makes a vowel sound, it's 'an' eg an hour. Otherwise it's a.

alexdgr8 · 27/04/2020 00:12

oh no, who mentioned the dreaded, aitch. pack drill at the double, now.
they go mad about that on GN, drives them mad that some say Haitch !
live and let live i say. and i think there are regional variations.
actually i think i am too confused by everyday life, in or out of the old west, to care how people pronounce the names of letters.
(don't get me started on flubber.)

DamnYankee · 27/04/2020 00:15

Former English teacher

"A" Hawaiian.
"A" house
"A" horse

Usually, if it sounds weird when you say it, it isn't correct Smile

I'll take a Hawaiian pizza, pineapple, burly-male-fire-walker, please!