To think the police should’ve acted to stop this?

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www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-hundreds-gather-manchester-funeral-18150043.amp

To sum up the article, a large group of mourners gathered for the funeral of a well-known local man in Manchester. Police did not stop them, despite them breaking the rules of lockdown, because “emotions were high.” Surely that’s the case at any funeral?

Amongst the mourners, an incident occurred where shots were fired and the shooter was subsequently stabbed in the face, perhaps suggesting that these particular mourners were a volatile bunch. AIBU to think that the police were simply too scared to stop these people? And that the message is that they are above the law?

It is particularly upsetting as so many law-abiding people are being forced to miss funerals at the moment.

The man had been in prison him and his family/associates are not above he law

But the police risk assessed and decided it was better to not intervene

At times they have to look at the bigger picture. Do you really think if they had stopped people from attending these people will have turned away and gone home - the don't think laws apply to them even when they have been in jail that is their mindset

If you are given a fixed term sentence your estimated release date from prison will be half way through the sentence. The rest of the time is served in the community on probation.

bra and andro I am aswell. I won't lie I grabbed my popcorn reading them comments. What a twist it was with the woman's daughter turning up in comments!

Some of the posts here are laughable.

If you lot think you know how to deal with large scale events like this, volunteer as a Special Constable and help out. If not, pipe down.

To restrain someone who is fighting you (often with a weapon) you need a MINIMUM of three people to do it without causing injury to you or them. Yes, in a martial art situation it can be done 1 on 1. But these scumbags complain without hesitation to try and get officers sacked or get a payout. So you can just dive in and do what you want. You need to 'control' a fight and take a limb each, doing your best not to injure the suspect. So multiple officers per suspect.

There were hundreds there. Who were all Police hating, chavvy scum that would pile on officers to try and do serious harm to them.
So you'd need hundreds of officers. Hundreds.

You arrest hundreds of people (and you WOULD be arresting, not just breaking it up, because these people don't leave quietly) you need hundreds of cells for them in Custody.
Dozens of staff to monitor them until they are released.

Should every single GMP officer on duty be taken off DV jobs and everything else that is currently happening to break up that funeral?
Then you'd all be moaning about that too.

These scumbags would just LOVE an opportunity to hurt an officer. Why should an officer on a starting wage of £19k a year risk their life just because members of the public who have no idea about actual police work think they should?

For an offence that the suspect would only get a caution for.

First and foremost, it's about risk assessment and threat to life.

To understand the polices actions you need to have an understanding of the type of people they were dealing with and the areas concerned. A heavier police presence would have put more officers at risk of covid-19 as well. It also would have led to riots so the police chose the lesser of two evils. Also would be good for people to google the family concerned. I wouldn't speak ill of the dead but this man was less than savoury. The idiots at his funeral ate just the type to be gunning for a fight ( quite literally). Everyone assesses risk differently and people wanted to pay their respects, this family would have noted who turned up as respect or a lack of is a very big deal!

I’m sure many at the funeral were disappointed there wasn’t a heavy police presence.

Some attending will have despised this man as he would have made many of their lives a misery but caught up in this notion of respect and keeping face and would not think twice of beating a policeman to keep up this charade

I agree the police took a pragmatic decision in relation to someone who was a member of an organised crime group.

And of course the police could have called on mutual aid Sorrow but the question is whether that would have been a good use of resources.

Outside of lockdown attending the funeral wouldn't have been an offence. And the police response would have been the same as it was - ie watch and wait and hope they don't have to break up a riot.

Some of those people attending no doubt were itching to have a go at the police and would have welcomed a riot. The police took the decision not to give that to them.

Another police bashing thread

So the result of the police decision was one person, who had been firing a gun got injured. He was treated then arrested, and the person who injured him also arrested. Oh and there was some bad publicity. If they had tried to shut it down I'd imagine there would have been large scale disorder, with numerous injuries, and even worse publicity. I'd say that what actually happened was a good result in the circumstances.

Of course they did the right thing.
I’ve rttt and I can’t see anyone offering a better, proven, safer approach...altho of course I may have missed it 🙄

The Police are spineless twerps. One rule for the law abiding and another for your knuckle dragging scum.

@KungFuPandaWorksOut20 I didn't actually read all of the comments. Although I did hear the idiots speeding down one road off the A6.

@Brabarella - thought so

I have been surprised at how well thought of he seems to have been.

Andromedia basically someone said some not nice things, a person commented like go and say that too his family and watch what happens. Someone responded which family member the murderer or the other one. This girl commented I'm the daughter of the woman his brother killed in the hit and run and I would say it too their faces.

It was crazy! Did you see the videos of on Hyde Road? How there wasn't an accident I don't know.

Two weeks before the funeral there was a 'large gathering' to show respects. So the police already had an idea of just how many would show for the funeral, and made an appropriate decision.
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gathering-mourners-hyde-road-gorton-18072779

There are some goady idiots on this thread. The police took the right approach to safeguard their officers, the community and to avoid a riot during an epidemic.
For those saying the 'big men with knives shouldn't get away with it' I trust you've all signed up to be Volunteer Special Constables. You can disarm the 'big bad men' at the next funeral. Do be sure to come back and let us know how you get on.

The police had a tough call.

The man was a notorious criminal and they had the unenviable position of trying to break up a gathering of hard faced criminals/criminal sympathisers who were more than likely armed or back off and let them some of them die of coronavirus.

At least one gunman showed up and the fact that the gunman was attacked with knives showed that unless the cops showed up en masse, with riot control, there would have been a bloodbath.

I have no doubt they stood back and observed, taking pictures for future reference.

Manchester would still be burning if it had kicked off with/because of/due to a police presence.

@Andromeida59 @Brabarella I am too!

I wouldn't speak ill of the dead but this man was less than savoury

Why not speak ill of the dead he was a good scumbag and the earth is better he is gone.

On another note police fining a family in a communal garden.

@Andromeida59 I have been surprised at how well thought of he seems to have been

Probably because he was different to different people. I knew him, though not well, and he was never anything but nice to me.

I wouldn't have crossed him, but he could be a nice guy

Like everyone else or any other business the Police would have to have done a risk assessment. if that said that it was safer to let it go ahead than not then thats what should happen.

the only option would be to call in the army. Personally, I think its natural selection at work. If it wasnt for the fact that there stupidness would lead to some of them getting so ill they would endanger the ambulance staff and other NHS workers who had to deal with them plus of course all the shops that they will have visited in the meantime, I would honestly be shrugging and saying yep jog on, get sick its down to you.

Those people who are saying this - that its up to them its their risk - well that would only be true if they werent coming into contact with others or potentially needing the health service.

@MrsSnitchnose I can’t believe so many of us are!! I thought I was the only mumsnetter, not that I normally comment just read!

@Brabarella I think there are a lot more of us than we think. We lurk around in all sorts of unexpected places