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Arguments always escalating and no idea what to do...

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Speckledjemima · 20/04/2020 20:40

Name changed as some information here is quite outing... Sorry, bit of an essay...

My DM's husband/stepdad has been in my life for some 20+ years now and has been very supportive in a lot of aspects (financially, encouraging regarding education, hobbies etc) but has a tendency to really fly off the handle with me or my siblings if there's even the slightest heated discussion/confrontation. This has been a constant theme over the course of growing up and into adulthood, in particular with me and my DSis. I always assumed it was usual clashing with teenage stepkids, plus he can be quite a gruff personality at times... But even now that we are all adults, in situations where we bicker (and you know, it happens, because we're family and that's inevitable), he immediately flies off the handle, shouts, swears, acts aggressively, then usually storms off and refuses to communicate with us for a long time. This is more often than not in situations/conversations where I just wouldn't deem it necessary to react so strongly.

Just as an example... A few months ago, he and DM booked a holiday and assumed my DSis would be able to house sit for them on those dates for 10 days so they wouldn't have to put their dogs in a kennel. DSis has a disabled child and their house just isn't kitted out for being able to look after him easily there, not to mention space issues, kids routines, school runs, work etc. When she tried to point out to him that it would be quite difficult for her, he started shouting that he'd "just have the dogs put down then", swore at her in front of her kids because he "couldn't believe her attitude after everything they do for her" and stormed off. He didn't speak to her for nearly a month afterwards and then just quietly pretended like nothing had happened when he tagged along for a visit to her house with my DM. This is quite typical unfortunately.

Anyway, fast forward to last weekend... I ended up having a discussion with him which became heated (I won't go into detail on what exactly it was regarding as that's not really relevant but it did have a political aspect to it and we both turned out to feel differently on the subject). Long story short but what started out as a pretty mundane current affairs conversation turned into him hurling insults at me over messenger, then blocking me and my DH (who had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation in any way!) on all forms of social media, WhatsApp, phone etc. My mum, as always, is dismissing the fact that he's taken the situation from 0-100mph totally unnecessarily...

I realise he'll probably give me the silent treatment for a good few weeks and then he'll more than likely go back to acting like nothing ever happened, I'm guessing when I give birth in a few weeks time (currently 37 weeks pregnant). But this situation happening for what feels like the millionth time over something like this has made me start to question yet again how toxic the relationship really is if this is something I'm always nervous of and what I can do, if anything, about it. Talking to him in calmer moments doesn't work because it always goes the same way with him getting defensive and the cycle repeats. I've tried several times to discuss with my DM and ask her if she thinks that his behaviour is acceptable but she always acts very dismissive and defends him, usually by arguing that me and/or my siblings deliberately rile him up and that actually he has done a lot for us (not disputing that), which somehow makes it all fine to her?

DH is frankly so very fed up of this constantly happening (can't say I blame him) and, while not actively involving himself in arguments, has told me privately that he thinks this isn't okay and doesn't understand why I don't just distance myself because nothing else seems to have worked. But (when she's not sticking up for him in these situations) I am very close to my DM and find the idea of distancing myself from him impossible without it impacting my relationship with her. WIBU to back away from them because of this? What else can I do? I'm probably really feeling it this time along with pregnancy hormones but just in general it doesn't feel healthy to always have the possibility of this happening hanging over me Sad

Thank you so much if you've got this far. I'm not trying to paint myself as totally blameless in the arguments by the way - it's not so much that they happen at all as it is about the way that he conducts himself when it does, IYSWIM.

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 20/04/2020 20:55

Oh OP
He’s very abusive isn’t he . And your mother is completely denying it
And I always think these things come up
When you become a parent
His behaviour is just vile and unkind

I think it’s worth doing a bit more reading around on the subject of abusive behaviour

Right now (pregnant , quarantine ) could be a good time to distance yourself and do some thinking

Your northern is also a problem as she enables him

Generally some therapy or reading more
About the topic can help you define your position on this , and how to articulate

Good luck with with pregnancy and baby Flowers

Thisisworsethananticpated · 20/04/2020 20:56

Mother
Not northern !

Cherrysoup · 20/04/2020 21:03

I think I’d definitely be backing off. He controls you and your opinion (and that of others) by ramping it up into a huge deal, when a ‘normal) (non abusive/controlling) person would be able to laugh at himself, take it down a notch, not be so damned angry. I don’t think I’d want a young child exposed to that. It isn’t normal or fair that he’s controlling you in this way.

Your mum sounds like the classic enabler, anything for an easy life. You run the risk of her withdrawing if you say anything more, she will back him up even knowing he’s obviously wrong. Mr Big Man clearly thinks his word is law and it’s doubtful you’ll ever be allowed to be right in situations like you describe. It’s a tricky balance of keeping your mum close and him happy. However, keeping him happy is not your job.

copycopypaste · 20/04/2020 21:06

Yes I think you need to distance yourself from him, and in turn it may impact your relationship with your DM.

There's no two ways around it, he's abusive, swearing in front of the dc's mean they will pick up on it. Do you want them to see and experience this toxic behaviour. Plus, you'll have a new baby and less time for his shit. Life is too short tbh

Speckledjemima · 20/04/2020 21:25

Mother Not northern !

This did make me giggle as I was wondering what had given me away for a bit Grin

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Speckledjemima · 20/04/2020 21:29

Thank you everyone, it's a relief to hear that this absolutely isn't acceptable behaviour - it's happened so often now and my DM has dismissed it so often as just a quirk of character and not being important anyway that I was starting to wonder.

I don’t think I’d want a young child exposed to that.
This is exactly what I'm starting to think about. It won't be for a couple of years yet this baby (or any other kids I have) would pick up on it but it does make me think about how it would effect them, both seeing him treat people/me like that. I also would hate them to take anything negative from how I dealt with it as well Sad

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Cookiemonster92 · 20/04/2020 22:16

He seems extremely abusive and manipulative, I would definitely cut down on contact! You’re heavily pregnant as well - would you really want your child growing up around this volatile behaviour? What if they grew up thinking it was acceptable behaviour to completely fly off the handle when not getting their own way?

If this man has been with your DM for so long, she has probably become resigned to it, and knows it’s far less hassle for her to agree with him than to go against him! Maybe let her know how you feel going forward? After all, once you’ve had your baby, they will be the priority!

On a side note, the stress isn’t good for a pregnant woman! Put your feet up, have a cuppa and some biscuits and have a relax!

Speckledjemima · 20/04/2020 23:03

Maybe let her know how you feel going forward? After all, once you’ve had your baby, they will be the priority!

Absolutely. I really don't want a situation where our child is a witness to that and I'd especially hate them to think it's acceptable. I will tell my mum that but I'm pretty resigned to it not making a difference in how he behaves or how she responds to it Sad it's been going on for years now and always gets brushed off. I guess I can't control the way they are but I can control what I do about it going forward.

Trying really hard not to feel too stressed by it. Had a big cry earlier but obviously not wanting to get too worked up about it for baby. DH has been an absolute star and is very supportive, plus brought me lots of treats while I watch lots of TV tonight Smile definitely helps. Plus the advice and kindness from everyone here, thank you all!

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