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To wish they'd reopen the recycling centers?

185 replies

feelinguseless78 · 18/04/2020 18:36

They closed the tips at the start of lockdown and fly tipping and bonfires have gone up massively in our area as a result.

I appreciate that they constitute a non essential journey to use them, but I feel they're the lesser evil!

AIBU?

YABU - they should remain closed
YANBU - yes they should reopen

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Jellybott · 18/04/2020 21:21

@feelinguseless78 I'd be very surprised if that was the case, and without working there, I'm not sure how you could know that. I'm not trying to cause an argument, just pointing out that there are reasons behind the decisions being made which are a lot more complex than they might appear to be.

GrimmsFairytales · 18/04/2020 21:23

I could put them in my second garage

This is such a MN stealth boast Grin I don't even have a garage, let alone two.

PotholeParadise · 18/04/2020 21:23

^
Oh heavens no I wouldn’t fly tip! But if it’s something small like some batteries or a broken phone then if needs must it’s in the bin. I haven’t had any big appliances to throw away but if I did I could put them in my second garage

In normal times, every supermarket has a battery recycling collection point!

Thighdentitycrisis · 18/04/2020 21:25

How can you not have space for a compost heap?

And why can’t you just store your stuff until the dump/charity shop opens? You stored it all before?

Leflic · 18/04/2020 21:26

Not read the thread but you can still pay private waste collection people. They have commercial tips which are still open.

RingtheBells · 18/04/2020 21:29

It could be months before recycling centres and charity shops reopen.

BarbaraofSeville · 18/04/2020 21:29

The tips should definitely open as an essential service. If there's a staffing issue, I know several people who work for private waste collection services who are currently furloughed as their office and restaurant clients are closed so their workload is much reduced who would jump at the chance of some extra temporary work.

Frouby · 18/04/2020 21:29

Sorry but we wouldn't be happy if the redeployed binmen or fire crews or teachers elsewhere. Tips must be essential or we wouldn't have them.

By closing them fly tipping had gone up massively locally as has bonfires at home. At least once day someone posts on local fb page saying 'sorry just having a bonfire to get rid of rubbish".

If they aren't essential then why do we pay for them? Why are they used as an arguement to keep reducing kerbside collections while still increasing council tax bills? They are essential. There is no health arguement for closing them if supermarkets can keep operating. And if the staff (all 2 of them on our local tip) are so desperately needed elsewhere then maybe we should be demanding more for our money in our council tax bills.

It directly impacts on our ability to keep our homes and gardens comfortable and clean and free from smoke and our surrounding local areas free from rubbish accumulations. We are being told to stay home, keep the nhs safe, save lives. Yet one of the most used services for a lot of people (waste disposal) is being seriously impacted.

It doesn't affect me personally other than the burning and the rubbish dumped everywhere. I can fit everything into my normal bins. We have an allotment so garden/green waste goes in the compost bin. But I know it is causing so much additional stress to so many families. For no other reason than they couldn't be arsed to put a bit of thought into it.

And I have seen literally no evidence of council staff being redeployed elsewhere. They are all wfh doing their normal jobs. A refuse manager can't wfh and do their role so should be furloughed. Traffic wardens can't wfh. Park rangers can't wfh (some can still work but lots won't be necessary). Our council is only doing emergency rehousing so loads be wfh but not actually doing much work. Loads of school staff (not teachers) won't be able to wfh.

Loads of local government roles that can't actually work, are wfh. Doing what I have no idea. They should be furloughed and on 80%. Not 100% doing sfa.

There are very few council services still going. There are very few additional services the council can do. They could do tips but are chosing not to. They could still run libraries (on the same principle as supermarkets, returned books dropped in a slot and left for 72 hours) but don't. They could still run their housing lists at normal strength with some adaptions to allow for social distancing but aren't.

It's the private sector and emergency services keeping the country going at the moment and it's wrong that we have allowed our public services to just disappear and no one has questioned if we are getting a reduction in our bills for the reduction of services. I have cancelled private stuff I won't use like Sky Sports and gym membership and club membership. But I can't cancel my council tax bill.

We should be outraged.

NoMoreDickheads · 18/04/2020 21:31

No, people dying is not a lesser evil than a bit of smoke and some stuff dumped that the council can clear at a later date.

Do you find the balance of risk of killing people vs bit of mess/smell hard to weigh up?

I suppose it's also so that councils can focus their efforts elsewhere rather spending time emptying the tips or something.

Gingerkittykat · 18/04/2020 21:33

No libraries, no sports centre etc I am starting to wonder why the hell our council is still charging full rates.

If anything they will need more money right now, staff are still being paid and they have set up various schemes to help the vulnerable.

They have also got less revenue coming in from those who are newly unemployed, they are not taking any enforcement action for missed payments right now and allowing people to skip two months payments and pay at the end of the year instead.

I've seen someone offering to take black bags for £2 each in my local FB group, I bet those will end up fly tipped somewhere.

feelinguseless78 · 18/04/2020 21:34

Jellybott I usually work in hospital discharges (straddling NHS and local authority) but I've been seconded to the COVID strategy team. I know exactly why the tips are shut, and where those working for them are. I know where redeployment has happened, I know how many ventilators our hospitals have, how many daily deaths we have, how many care home deaths, how many free hospital bed, our budget. I know how many NHS and council staff are sick with suspected covid and how many are self isolating due to family/ household members being sick. These are all things reported twice daily to the team I'm on!

I also know that our recycling centres are co-run between the boarding LAs and there is argument between them as to whether they can or should reopen. It's not a decision I have say in though!

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PotholeParadise · 18/04/2020 21:35

NoMoreDickheads

Yeah, it's not like 'a bit of smoke' could be the tipping point for someone struggling to breath who was being forced to manage at home, is it? Have a wee humphy face. Hmm

bumblingbovine49 · 18/04/2020 21:40

How can you not have space for a compost heap?
I have two large square flower beds and some beds with bushes around the outside of.my garden . Also a very small lawn area All of the earth is filled with plants ( lots of them) or the grass. The rest is decking and patio.

I have already done a bit of pruning and cutting but can' only pile upthe cuttings on decking or patio right next to a very small seating area. It is not something I want to do. I could pile it on a corner of the lawn but I don't want it that close to the house and it will ruin the lawn. I have put the cuttings and waste in bags so far and am saving them. I have also spread some of them under the bushes but that only goes so far and we are only in April!. My garden is very small but has a lot of plants so needd to be kept cut back or it will be a jungle in no time over the summer.

BakewellGin1 · 18/04/2020 21:42

I cannot wait for them to reopen... Being at home this would be a good opportunity to sort out cupboards, wardrobes and so on but above all we get alternate recycling and general waste collections. I really would benefit from both each week as with us all being at home we struggle to not have excess rubbish.

BackforGood · 18/04/2020 21:44

Prioritising redecorating over saving lives is abhorrent,

because of course that is what is happening isn't it ?

Don't know whether to Hmm or just Grin, it is such a ridiculous statement.

@lyralalala - Councils are very different across the country. Because you seem to know what is happening in one council, doesn't mean it is replicated everywhere.

yatapina · 18/04/2020 21:53

@Frouby I can't speak for every council but I know in our area anyone who cannot work from home has been redeployed! As I've said several times already my husband was treated like absolute shit for attempting to enforce social distancing at his recycling site because "the tax payers pay his wages" and he should be doing what suits them basically.

Never mind the fact that he's also a tax payer too... There is no option for him to be furloughed. Nor is there for anyone else he knows across the council here. You go where you're told and do what they ask if you can't work from home.

If people weren't so selfish and determined to stretch the rules to suit them then our site would still be open!

lyralalala · 18/04/2020 22:37

Sorry but we wouldn't be happy if the redeployed binmen or fire crews or teachers elsewhere. Tips must be essential or we wouldn't have them.

Teachers have been redeployed as childcare staff

lyralalala · 18/04/2020 22:45

@BackforGood It's not one council. Council staff cannot be furloughed except in very specific circumstances because they are public funded. They are expected to redeploy their staff and bins, home care and direct covid efforts are the obvious priorities of the vast majority

WanderleyWagon · 18/04/2020 22:51

I'm looking forward to the tip opening, I don't go often but am nerdy enough to enjoy the peace of mind of having disposed of everything in the right place.
I'm also really looking forward to charity shops and freecycling and FB marketplace being usable again - the post-clearout piles are continuing to pile up. I live in a flat conversion and there's a big hall where I can leave some stuff, I'm just grateful the neighbours are tolerant.

nopenothappening · 19/04/2020 09:46

Waste management is essential. Just like water and power supplies. Medical shipping and distribution. Agriculture, food production and distribution and shops. Cleaning, pest control. Social care. Etc etc etc.

It's all connected.

You can't just say "all we need are doctors and nurses, everybody else fuck off home" because without water, sewerage, power, waste management, food, medical supplies and medicine and all the people who keep those things going all your nurses and doctors would be doing would be standing in derelict buildings piled up with festering rubbish helplessly watching people die and dying themselves.

I wouldn't mind some of these overly simplistic responses to covid so much if they weren't predominantly of the "let the invisible people die instead because that won't affect me" variety.

vanillandhoney · 19/04/2020 10:05

They are expected to redeploy their staff and bins, home care and direct covid efforts are the obvious priorities of the vast majority

Tips and bins are all connected. You can't cut bin services, shut tips and then complain that people have too much waste.

Our local council has suspended all brown/food waste. We only have black bins and recycling at the moment but lots of peoples are getting missed or are just not getting collected. We can't use the tips or the local recycling points so what are we meant to do with all that rubbish?

Not everyone has loads of outdoor space where they can store four weeks worth of waste - and even if we did it's not exactly very hygienic!

Umnoway · 19/04/2020 10:27

Our garden bins aren’t being collected either so there’s nowhere to ditch garden waste, we don’t have compost bins here. Our NDN’s burnt theirs in the garden and we totally understood.

We have bags of stuff for the tip, it’s just sitting in the garage waiting for it to reopen.

HillAreas · 19/04/2020 10:43

It’s not just about people’s clear outs and gardening exploits.
Millions of people who were out in the world a month ago, creating waste and putting it in the bins in the street/work/school/nursery/literally anywhere people are no longer allowed to go... they are now stuck at home and a fair amount of that waste is now being squeezed into the regular household wheelie bins, which may or may not now be collected.
At some point or other a sensible decision will have to be made.

HonestCentrist · 19/04/2020 10:52

I’ve just been putting stuff in the normal bins. No guilt whatsoever.

puffinandkoala · 19/04/2020 11:01

Not RTFT but yes the household tips should be open. Most, if not all, people arrive in their cars, so social distancing is not a problem. The only real issue is not wanting people to travel unnecessarily. However, when people are home more than usual and many not working, it's quite frustrating not being able to do anything like clear out cupboards or your garage.

More importantly, if the tips were open and garden waste collections restarted, it would hopefully stop giving people an "excuse" to have garden bonfires.