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To think that a personality cult has developed around Boris Johnson?

626 replies

Applejaxx · 17/04/2020 14:38

I know this sounds completley ridiculous but have a quick look around social media and in particular Twitter, and you will see a disturbing number of people with lots of union flags in their twitter handle name who effectively think that the sun shines out of his arse, that he can do no wrong and that any justifiable criticism of his or his governments handling of the current crisis is part of a massive 'leftie' conspiracy against him.

They are terrified of 'lefties's and 'liberals' and think all of the media are out to get Boris and his government, it is just bat shit. Its not just Twitter either, I had to unfriend someone on Facebook after they told me that I should 'show Boris some fucking respect' a few weeks ago. This was after I'd shared something criticising his handling of the pandemic. Thankfully it was somone I don't really know that well and never have to see again, but still!

If im honest it all a bit disturbing. Its reminscent of a personality cult IMO, 'how dare you disrespect our glorious leader'.

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user1471565182 · 18/04/2020 00:32

ohh we're doing the 'Tory party are radical feminists on the trans issue and its not just that they hate anybody of a different sexuality' bit now.

mummmy2017 · 18/04/2020 00:35

Blame who you will, we all know this is not normal.
Let's wait till we are out the other end before you look for your scapegoat.

aquashiv · 18/04/2020 07:52

Scapegoat? He is responsible he is the Prime minister they were the decisions he made.

StoneofDestiny · 18/04/2020 08:13

Clavinova
Not sure why you thought a man on his third wife was better suited as a prime minister. I see the Labour Party have passed over yet two more female candidates for Party Leader

Try dealing in facts.
At no point have I said I admired or wanted Corbyn as PM. Nor do I think being 'female' is an automatic qualification for being PM. If they are not good enough, they are not good enough regardless of gender!

Neither Corbyn or Johnson are fit to be PM.

However, Johnson sadly is our PM, and harping back to Corbyn (who thankfully was never PM) is a diversion.

Johnson is not leading this country effectively through the Covid crisis and had Covid not occurred, he would be halfway to dismantling our NHS, selling bits off to companies supported by his clearly deranged friend Trump.

StoneofDestiny · 18/04/2020 08:30

As for Johnson as Mayor of London....

www.theguardian.com/politics/boris-johnson

StoneofDestiny · 18/04/2020 08:35

The article - cut wrong link

Boris Johnson has been accused of repeatedly ignoring expert advice on the viability of his so-called vanity projects as London mayor, leaving taxpayers with a bill of nearly £1bn and rising.

Some of those who worked closely with Johnson as mayor, including fellow Conservatives, told the Guardian that he defied senior officials over a string of profligate projects and resisted being held to account for their ballooning costs.

The projects including going ahead with new Routemaster buses despite being told by his transport commissioner that they would be too expensive to run. He also purchased three secondhand water cannon against the advice of the lead police officer on riot control. And Johnson refused to publish the results of an 18-month study that he commissioned, after it unequivocally warned against his idea of building an airport in the Thames estuary.

Steve Norris, a former Conservative candidate for mayor and a board member of Transport for London, said Johnson’s record as mayor suggested he could be a “huge risk” as prime minister. “These projects tell us that Boris never reads the papers and isn’t great on detail,” Norris told the Guardian.

“He could be incredibly profligate for the country. He’s great on rhetoric but lousy on delivery.”

Johnson championed eight high-profile projects that either ended in failure or turned out to have questionable value. Between them they had cost the taxpayer £940m by 2017 and the price has since edged up still further. Earlier this year a TfL inquiry found that the final cost of garden bridge was £53.5m, £1.5m more than previously thought, of which £43m was public money. Costs included £417,000 on a gala for the abandoned project and £1.7m on salaries for the executives of the Garden Bridge Trust.

It has also since emerged that the Olympic Orbit tower and slide is £13m in debt with interest growing by £700,000 a year. Johnson commissioned the tower after bumping into the steel magnate Lakshmi Mittal at a cloakroom at the World Economic Forum at Davos, in an encounter that has already cost £6.1m.

The cost of the London stadium conversion soared to £323m, the bulk of which had to be paid by the taxpayer after protracted negotiations with West Ham United, the new tenants.

Johnson’s campaign did not respond to requests for comment. The Conservative leadership candidate has previously defended the projects as major contributions to the capital while his office has blamed the London stadium costs in particular on the previous Labour administration.

Andrew Boff, who served as Conservative London assembly member during Johnson’s tenure, said the mayor hated being questioned on the costs of such projects. “He looked throughly hurt whenever we would challenge him, as if he had been stabbed in the back,” he said.

Norris said Johnson should have stepped in earlier to stop the garden bridge project. “A great deal of money was wasted on the bridge and Boris has yet to acknowledge any role in that.”

But he claims the approval of new Routemaster buses, which was designed to meet Johnson’s manifesto pledge to bring back conductors on buses and allow passengers to hop on and off, was a “far more egregious error”.

He said: “I know Peter Hendy [TfL commissioner] said we couldn’t afford to run the buses with a separate conductor, but Boris decided to build them anyway.”

Hendy refused to comment about Johnson to the Guardian. In 2015 Johnson was forced to scrap conductors on the new Routemasters because they cost £62,000 per bus per year to operate.

The new Routemasters have also turned out to be less environmentally friendly than Johnson promised. New windows had to be fitted at an extra costs of £2m after temperatures of 38C were recorded on board. And this year 300 of the fleet of 1,000 have had to be upgraded to ensure they comply with the London’s low-emissions zone.

The total cost of the buses is put at £321.6m. Another major expense has been the “Boris bikes” cycle hire scheme, which was supposed to cost the public nothing but by last year had cost a cumulative £225m.

Earlier this year Johnson successor, Sadiq Khan, brought to an end another of Johnson’s failed projects when he sold for scrap three unusable second-hand water cannon at a net loss of more than £300,000.

The taxpayer could have been saved the bill if Johnson had listened to advice, according to Joanne McCartney, the current deputy mayor of London and assembly member under Johnson.

She said: “There was a report strongly recommending we should not buy them. We spoke to many people, including Sir Hugh Orde who had experience of using them in Northern Ireland, and was the Association of Chief Police Officer’s lead on riot control. [Johnson] didn’t even have the courtesy to read the report, subsequently he wasted hundreds of thousands taxpayer money.”

Environmental campaigners fear that as prime minister Johnson could revive the idea of putting an airport in the Thames estuary, a scheme he spent £5.2m exploring as mayor. David King, the former chief scientist, agreed to chair a commission on the idea despite his qualms.

King said Johnson first ignored his conditions for chairing the commission in a dishonest announcement to the press and then refused to publish its findings. “The gist of the conclusion was that it was not wise to put an airport in the Thames. It was unequivocal,” King said. He said his unpublished reported said that the airport would only be feasible if a new settlements were built around it.

It also found that the airport would have to sit high above the water to be safe from rising sea levels and tidal surges and the extra flights involved would be “very challenging” for air traffic control in the area.

Clavinova · 18/04/2020 10:02

Are identity politics all the right has left these days, Clavinova? not sure you should be so quick to try and imply sexism when Johnson spent his wife's time suffering with cancer getting another woman pregnant...

According to Marina Wheeler she was diagnosed with cancer in May 2019 (having separated from Boris Johnson in the summer of 2018) - she had surgery in June and July of 2019 and was cancer free by late July/early August.The Conservative Party leadership race also took place in June and July 2019, therefore I assume that 'baby making' was the last thing BJ was planning at the time.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/11/marina-wheeler-tells-of-cervical-cancer-diagnosis-boris-johnson

Meanwhile, female Labour MPs have been very vocal about sexism within the Labour Party. You can pretend they haven't if you wish, but the rest of us listen to mainstream media sources.

HandfulOfDust · 18/04/2020 10:06

Well, it would have to be a personality cult, wouldn't it, as he doesn't appear to have any actual policies, so we're left with mendacity, self-promotion and pseudo-genial bluster?

Nailed it in the first page.

Clavinova · 18/04/2020 10:16

StoneofDestiny

Sadiq Khan has 'bridge' problems of his own:

Architects' Journal 2018 -
"Sadiq Khan’s financial argument for backing the Garden Bridge during his first year as London mayor has been ridiculed after it emerged that Transport for London (TfL) had described its £20 million loan to the charity developing the scheme as a ‘gift’"

"While campaigning for office in 2015, Khan announced he was dropping his opposition to the Heatherwick-designed scheme thanks to an agreement struck between Lambeth Council leader Lib Peck and the Garden Bridge Trust."

www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-slammed-over-20m-garden-bridge-loan-deal/10035022.article

"2019 - London Mayor Sadiq Khan's bike bridge over the River Thames is branded a 'vanity project' as estimated cost 'doubles to £400 million'"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7018795/Sadiq-Khans-bike-bridge-branded-vanity-project-estimated-cost-doubles-400-million.html

koshkatt · 18/04/2020 11:27

I hate narrow minded, privately educated morons who think the sun shines out of their behinds

Sorry, but arguments about Boris Johnson aside, the irony in this post is laughable.

NiteFlights · 18/04/2020 11:29

Can anyone here who supports Boris Johnson list the qualities that, in your view, make him a good Prime Minister?

koshkatt · 18/04/2020 11:31

ohh we're doing the 'Tory party are radical feminists on the trans issue and its not just that they hate anybody of a different sexuality' bit now

Trans is not a sexuality.
The Labour Party hate women and threaten to expel women who believe that bioogical sex exists as a material reality. They rejected Karen Ingala Smiths' application to join recently as she correctly identifies and names violence against WOMEN.

No one has said that the Tories are radfems but if you are making comparisons between the right and the left on this issue then you need to take a closer look at the LP. It is shameful in its attitude towards women.

I say this as a longtime Labour voter (pre-Corbyn of course).

Applejaxx · 18/04/2020 11:32

Oh now Sadiq Khan is being dragged into it, he’s another one of their hate figures alongside Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon.

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Peregrina · 18/04/2020 11:34

I assume that 'baby making' was the last thing BJ was planning at the time.

Does he even plan his baby making? I get the impression that "not always" or even "not very often" is likely to be the correct answer.

BurtonHouse · 18/04/2020 11:35

You are unreasonable to think that a cult of personality IS developing around him. That us all it's ever been. He's a totally hollow man who puts on this act so people think "Oh he's such a character. " But it reality there's nothing there apart from arrogance and ambition.

user1471565182 · 18/04/2020 11:46

Yes, im sure Torys are very concerned about the apparent sexism in the labour party when they can turn a blind eye to the likes of Nick fucking Conrad in their party.

And who's this talking about rampant sexism in the party?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/may-conservatives-are-male-white-and-sexist-8696908.html

derxa · 18/04/2020 11:49

Nicola Sturgeon. Confused

user1471565182 · 18/04/2020 11:50

Again trying to deflect to labour. The Tory party hate trans people because they hate anybody different, not some noble ideological standpoint.

Its the same reason they hated and persecuted gay people, single mothers and black people for years and people like you merrily go along with it because it suits you to pretend the bigotry is something else.

koshkatt · 18/04/2020 11:53

I do not doubt that there is sexism in the Tory Party - did I say that there wasn't? As a party though they at least seem to understand biological sex...remember Dawn Butler saying on national tv that babies are born without a sex?
There is sexism (rife throughout society) and then there is a whole other world of madness and pandering to men and this is where the LP has gone. I no longer recgonise it.
Hopefully KS will drag it back. He has a lot of swivel eyed loons to get rid of first though and Nandy and LB are on the cabinet so that is a major fuck up as far as I am concerned.

koshkatt · 18/04/2020 11:54

The Tory party hate trans people because they hate anybody different, not some noble ideological standpoint

Where is your evidence that the Tories hate trans people please? I can give you endless examples of how the LP hate women.

Applejaxx · 18/04/2020 11:55

I bet they are the same people who read The Sun, and go on holiday abroad and spend all their time in British pubs eating egg and chips. Never trying the local stuff at all.

Speaking of the The Sun they are the only paper who seek to be still supporting the government. Even the DM are asking questions.

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derxa · 18/04/2020 11:57

I bet they are the same people who read The Sun, and go on holiday abroad and spend all their time in British pubs eating egg and chips. Never trying the local stuff at all. What a bloody snob

koshkatt · 18/04/2020 11:59

I bet they are the same people who read The Sun, and go on holiday abroad and spend all their time in British pubs eating egg and chips. Never trying the local stuff at all

How fucking patronising. At least you are saying what you really think now.

StoneofDestiny · 18/04/2020 12:44

Clavinova

What has Sadiq Khan have to do with any of this?
You seem to like deflection - just like Noris Johnson

DdraigGoch · 18/04/2020 12:51

Oh no, nothing like that 'he makes me laugh'; just what you want in a pm.
We tried having a boring, managerial PM and she was useless. Couldn't negotiate her way out of a wet paper bag.

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