To say some people are being ridiculously hysterical?

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It's a serious situation, of course it is and I understand the need to slow the spread. And I understand why those at particularly high risk would be extra careful.

But honestly, some of the threads on here at the moment. It is just a constant, endless circle of people slagging off their friends or family for some perceived flouting of THE RULES, panicking and losing sleep because you're not sure if you disinfected your Amazon parcel well enough, quarantining a carton of milk for 72hrs, being called a serial killer because you sat down on some grass for 10 minutes after going for a run, stopping to talk to a family member out the window after your supermarket trip is akin to the worst crime known to man.

I've never ever read or witnessed such mass hysteria before. AIBU to think that some people are going absolutely crazy?

Yanbu. Although given how dangerous bleach is, I'm starting to wonder whether all those people bleaching their food are just qualifying for a Darwin award.

Sylv “ and I feel at times people like you and me are seen as dispensible cannon fodder!”

That’s interesting. I’m deeply pissed off because I feel society wants to shut us away and remove our rights.

YANBU!
But we are not allowed to have an opinion.
These death numbers are over inflated due to the way doctors are classifying covid deaths. If you have covid but are asymptomatic, and you died of a heart attack, and covid did not affect your death in any way, your cause of death is ruled Covid. The overall death numbers for each country have not greatly increased. This means that the numbers are being fudged.
Also, some people on this forum have nothing better to do than judge their neighbors for not doing the pandemic " right" . A lot of women on here are revelling in this situation, like its the most exciting thing that's ever happened to them. Strange times we live in!!

I think people also forget how truly awful the flu can be.

You really are soooo unlikely to die from Coronavirus if you do all those things...you do know that? Or don’t you believe that?

Oh really @hamstersarse? So you know more about my medical condition than my drs? Funny how I've had a letter, that states in bold at the top The NHS has identified you as someone at risk of severe illness if you catch coronavirus isn't it? I'm on immunosuppressants, with a normal oxygen saturation of between 88 - 91%. My chance of dying from this is quite high. Not helped by the fact I likely wouldn't be considered for ventilation if I needed it. So, care to review your crackpot theory?

For me it's a hard balance @lilactree1.. I don't know where we should fall. There will be interesting moral philosophy classes on the subject for decades to come, that's for sure. I can't think of a recent scenario where personal freedoms were pitted against societal good in such a way. I'm prepared for a temporary sacrifice, but agree this may be hard to claw back. Stuff like private tech companies becoming increasingly allowed to access patient data etc is worrying.

How is that any different though to people saying it's fine to out for four walks a day, it's fine to go and sunbathe in the park - there's no risk from sitting on the grass, of course you can't catch it from grocery packaging? They too are making up their own rules aren't they? Point being none of those are rules anyway @Hearhoovesthinkzebras. They are saying that based on the evidence available they think those risks are slim.

The person saying 4 wks a day is ok may well be saying that about their remote rural area, which would be very different to an inner city. Which is where the common sense and critical thinking comes in to play.

Those telling others they can only go out for an hour, can't go in their own garden etc are imposing their own, arbitrary rules on others. Those haven't come from the govt v

Hamstersarse - I think what people are scared of with coronavirus is that it's highly contagious, much more so than SARS or MERS, even though the death rate from those is much higher. Also nobody knows how the virus will affect them, plus if hospitals can't cope with the amount of patients Doctors will have to make difficult decisions of who will get a ventilator and who won't, like in Italy. Fortunately, we haven't reached that point yet and I hope we don't.

Yes, there are other diseases we can die from, but they are not contagious. Cancer and many other illnesses are treatable if caught early.

I think people also forget how truly awful the flu can be.

This for certain. I had a very bad bout of flu last spring, which turned into pneumonia and almost led to me being hospitalised. That was very scary.

Half the threads on here are nothing to do with being scared and everything to do with finding an excuse to have everyone slag off your MIL, 'friends', other family member etc...

I don';t really see this is much different.

Yes, it is dull to read thread after thread of people who are "furious" that someone isn't "following the rules" - but I do understand a little bit how frustrating it is when you have restricted your life enormously, and others just seem to be blithely carrying on as normal.

But it is also quite dull to read thread after thread about how hysterical someone who is themselves "not worried" finds people who are worried.

Generally I skip both types. This time I chose not to.

ps "hysterical" is a very misogynistic word.

IndecentFeminist

Only as arbitrary as the person saying four walks a day is fine. The government have said one period of exercise per day, not, "do your own assessment based on the area in which you live" so anyone advising us to do our own risk assessment is also making up rules.

Yes there are people overreacting, making up rules, wanting them imposed blindly regardless of circumstance etc

But there are also people stupidly and ignorantly carrying on as if there's no pandemic, ignoring social distancing, sneering at people's worries and concerns and generally being a bloody liability.

Neither group has much to be proud of.

The government have said one period of exercise per day, not, "do your own assessment based on the area in which you live" so anyone advising us to do our own risk assessment is also making up rules.

Except they're not making up any rules. That is the point. People who are making their own risk assessments aren't imposing those self made rules on other people. Quite the opposite I imagine.

Nowhere does it say in the law one period of exercise a day.

Once again the myths are spread.

I think people also forget how truly awful the flu can be

the fashion has changed, that's all.
Up until last year, you would nearly die of the flu, could not possibly have it unless near unconscious for weeks and so one and if you were not half dead, it couldn't have been the flu.

The C19 turned up, and "it's only the flu, who cares" popped in.

Mascotte

one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household

is exactly what the government says!

Hamstersarse, your post with

...There are so many people who seem to think that the science is exact (and not evolving) and there is some magic wand to be waved to make this all ok and the government are being deliberately 'incompetent'

is the most measured, sensible thing I've read on Mumsnet today. This could also be applied to several others threads I've seen today.

I think people also forget how truly awful the flu can be Well that was an early discussion, and is a recurring discussion on here. Apparently some people get flu and don't notice they've got it or only feel bad for a couple of days and are then well enough to train and perform on Strictly (I always have to laugh when they say they've had flu, no, you had a cold). If you don't have symptoms, why would you get tested for it? Do they even test for flu?

I've only had flu twice and I definitely noticed I had it! It was horrible.

And the RKI in Germany said people weren't scared of covid because it was just like flu - he said people should be scared of flu, too.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras maybe I missed an earlier post from you but the one listing your vulnerabilities, which I'm very sorry you have, was rather a drip feed. Your earlier post about all the things you do to stay safe didn't mention that.

@ManaBear that’s not the law.

The law gives exercise as one of the reasonable excuses to leave the house. No further detail: no number of times nor time limit.

I ask this as gently as possible - I have read quite a few posts from people saying they are in vulnerable/high-risk groups and that they 'have been told' they 'will die', or are 'unlikely to survive', if they catch it. Who is telling them this? Where is this impression coming from? AIUI, not all or even the majority of people with various high-risk conditions who have contracted Covid-19 have died from it. I am obviously aware that the risk for these people is elevated and that it is important to mitigate that risk as much as possible - in which I am doing my bit. But there are many posts on here that suggest death is a certainty, or a virtual certainty, if one has a vulnerability.

On the flu thing, I was pretty ill with swine flu, got bronchitis afterwards and had a few years of poor lung health, including multiple pneumonias, after that, perhaps coincidentally. And I remember at the time how younger people, including children, were strikingly susceptible and relatively large numbers died. I think the 'just flu' thing comes from people conflating flu with heavy colds.

(I should add I am in a 'vulnerable' group myself, though not the highest risk)

the law: no. 6

@Pamelaandthepinecones

I get so tired of the accusation of 'drip feeding. Especially here, where that poster isn't even an OP. No one always thinks of every single piece information about themselves on Mumsnet. There's always a possibility that someone on here has underlying health issues so saying they're very unlikely to die of COVID-19 is rather a big assumption at a time when hundreds of people are currently dying of it every day.

There is a sneering attitude on here towards those who are worried about catching COVID-19. Yes, I think some people are worrying about it excessively, but it's an understandable reaction at a time when many people are dying of it.

@CatteStreet

No it's not certain that they will die, obviously, but there's also the possibility that they could be very unwell, which most of us would understandably like to avoid. I'm still quite ill with it myself.