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Trump 100 Thread and We're Way Down the Rabbit Hole.

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lionheart · 11/04/2020 11:18

It is Easter, after all.

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3820737-Acquitted-but-still-impeached-Trump-thread-99?pg=10

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 16/05/2020 19:57

I have an internet friend who posits that if Trump doesn't manage to manipulate the election in his favour, by stopping postal votes and the underprivileged non-whites from voting, he will in any case claim it's unfair and a lie, and supported by the unethical Republicans clinging on to their power at any cost, will declare the election result illegal and keep himself in power for as long as he wants. AND NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO STOP HIM BECAUSE THE FOUNDING FATHERS NEVER EXPECTED A PERSON LIKE TRUMP TO BE ELECTED, LET ALONE FIND CONTINUED SUPPORT IN HIS PARTY. (Sorry to shout, but it is a scary but easily envisageable, prospect.)

TheNorthWestPawsage · 16/05/2020 20:36

Exploiting Pandemic, Trump Admin Weighs Banning Immigration Indefinitely
truthout.org/articles/exploiting-pandemic-trump-admin-weighs-banning-immigration-indefinitely/

Earlier this week, the Trump administration started hinting that the president’s “temporary” ban on immigration, rushed into effect in late April as a part of the pandemic response, was about to be extended indefinitely.

With the country entirely preoccupied by the public health and economic catastrophes, and with protest all but impossible given the dangers of congregating in large crowds, Trump’s team has, apparently, decided to seize the moment and lock down the country in a way that even the most restrictive, nativist policies of the 1920s and the quota era in immigration never did.

The rationale will apparently be a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declaration that immigration poses a public health risk during the pandemic — despite the fact that fully one third of the world’s cases now are within the U.S.; that an immigrant is far more likely to contract COVID-19 once he or she arrives in the country than to bring the disease into the country themselves. And once such a declaration is made, Trump will, if the reports are correct, then ban all immigration until such time as the CDC head declares the public health crisis over — a formula that will, in effect, give Trump unlimited power to shut the U.S. off from the rest of the world for so long as he remains in the White House.

It is an extraordinary power grab, the true emergence of rule by diktat rather than by legislation. In one fell swoop, while our attention is elsewhere, this action threatens to turn the U.S. into a closed society that not only shuns economic immigrants, that not only blocks family unification, but that also no longer pays even lip service to the notions of asylum and of refugee resettlement — ideas that are utterly central to the rules-based international system.

Now, it’s not as if we haven’t had fair warning that such vile policies were in the offing. After all, from his first day in office, from that ghastly “American carnage” inauguration speech that ushered in the Trump era in all its shattering, coarse brutalism, in all its racism and institutionalized cruelty, Trump has been steadily ratcheting up the anti-immigrant rhetoric. When the history books are written, Trump’s years in office will be seen as a Black Book of anti-immigrant atrocities, from the Muslim travel ban to family separation, from the imprisoning of children to the parading of unaccompanied toddlers before immigration judges, from the wanton assault on Temporary Protected Status and on Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, to the decision to start deporting asylum seekers back to supposedly safe third countries — such as Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala — that have some of the highest murder rates in the world.

And that was all pre-pandemic. In the last few months, with the COVID-19 crisis spiraling out of control, Trump’s team seems to have hit on a strategy of relentless bashing-the-foreigner in lieu of a coherent and effective strategy to tame the pandemic stateside and to stanch the economic bleed that has come about from shelter-in-place measures intended to slow the disease’s spread.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 16/05/2020 20:50

NEW: Rep. Justin Amash has ended his bid for president as an independent candidate.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/justin-amash-election-2020-third-party-candidate-republican-a9518566.html?amp

TheNorthWestPawsage · 16/05/2020 22:15

Concise summary of the horror of Trump being in charge of the US's response to Covid-19. God knows the UK hasn't much to be proud of but even Johnson and his minions haven't been this irresponsible...

Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown
What went wrong in the president’s first real crisis — and what does it mean for the US?

www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

lionheart · 17/05/2020 03:10

Obama's commencement address which was broadcast everywhere, including on Fox. This is going to needle Trump before the content of the address is even considered.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/16/21261285/obama-graduate-together-2020-address-transcript?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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lionheart · 17/05/2020 03:14

“Do what you think is right. Doing what feels good—what’s convenient, what’s easy—that’s how little kids think. Unfortunately a lot of so-called grown-ups, including some with fancy titles and important jobs, still think that way, which is why things are so screwed up.”

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Roussette · 17/05/2020 08:41

NorthWest that FT article is frightening.

B1rdbra1n · 17/05/2020 11:35

I agree that the FT article is frightening, how can it be that all these clever accomplished people are in thrall to this person who is is so much less than them
will he reduce the whole of America to the level of his is primitive base instincts, this ridiculous person who requires constant flattery and who cannot resist his impulses to brag about himself in public
How can this be happening, why have you given the top job to this cave man, this unevolved proto hominid 😳

lionheart · 17/05/2020 13:43

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eric-trump-covid-19-biden-disappear_n_5ec0b627c5b6d456749bed3d?ri18n=true

'Taking a page from his dad’s playbook, Eric Trump insisted in an interview Saturday that COVID-19 will “magically” disappear — after Election Day.

He claimed that the coronavirus that has killed 312,000 people around the globe — including nearly 90,000 Americans — is a ploy cooked up by the Democrats to stop Donald Trump from rallying his supporters at campaign events.

Democratic presidential frontrunner Joe Biden “loves this,” Trump’s middle son told Jeanine Pirro on Fox News.'

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B1rdbra1n · 17/05/2020 14:09

Presumably the trump children are aware that unless he receives constant flattery and praise there may be (metaphorical or actual) defenestrations
Trump (because he is 'stupid like a fox') has instinctively maneuvered everyone into positions where they have no choice but to flatter and obey him

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/05/2020 14:58

I suspect they are also aware that once he is out of office, they are likely to be investigated for their actions while he was in office, and their behaviour during the past three or four years simply will not stand up to any serious scrutiny.

B1rdbra1n · 17/05/2020 15:01

Trump has made it so that everyone is now so compromised that they have no choice but to do everything they can to keep him in office

AcrossthePond55 · 17/05/2020 15:45

Trump has made it so that everyone is now so compromised that they have no choice but to do everything they can to keep him in office

I believe that this is the actual truth behind why so many seemingly powerful and/or intelligent people are allowing (and in some cases supporting) his insanity. And why he so viciously hates people with principles, calling them 'stupid' and 'mugs'.

The political world is built on 'favours' and 'back scratching'. BT (Before Trump) these were 'little things' that weren't so noticeable or were easily explained away. More 'you vote on my bill, I'll vote on yours'. But Scrotus has manoeuvered the GOP/others into hugely vulnerable positions with favours that make them 'dirty' and/or have hugely increased their finances or 'influence' with his ilk via shady deals that they wouldn't want to come to light. Why does he do this? In most cases to give him power over them. He doesn't give a shit if some GOP legislator/high level bureaucrat gets their bill passed or increases their net worth with a shady deal. But he DOES care a lot if that deal gives him blackmail power over that legislator.

It's why he hates and despises people who stand on their principles and are immune to his tactics, people like Obama, McCain, and Biden. You think he hasn't offered 'dirty deals' to Pelosi, Schumer, et al and been scorned and turned down flat? It's why he despises them so much. Because he resents that they make him look dishonest and shady, that they can't be bought (as he's been bought by Russia). Even Romney learnt early on that Scrotus' price wasn't worth paying and look where he is now, an outcast in the GOP.

I just keep praying that it's not too late to turn back to 'the way it was before' once he's voted out of office (in November!).

lionheart · 17/05/2020 15:46

Ugh.

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Lweji · 17/05/2020 16:32

John Lithgow has a new book of poems called Trumpty Dumpty.
One is a little Rudy.

Lweji · 17/05/2020 16:37

I suspect many top people like Fauci haven't slammed the door behind them yet because otherwise there will be nobody left but sycophants and incompetent people.

Like in Brazil, two Health Ministers gone in one month and the Justice Minister gone too.
Trump is cleverer in giving political appointments to minions now. Less so at the start, but they're gone now.

cozietoesie · 17/05/2020 17:08

There's a small select group who aren't compromised, Across,

AcrossthePond55 · 17/05/2020 17:28

True cozie, but he does his best to marginalize and demonize them.

Roussette · 18/05/2020 08:21

Across Interesting post.

I read somewhere that Trump has something on everyone and that many are terrified of him.

I can't remember who it was now... but there is footage of him walking up a corridor with someone and saying something which stops the man dead in his tracks.
He compromises everyone he can but I'm just surprised more aren't 'Do what you want, I'm outta here...'

BruceAndNosh · 18/05/2020 09:21

Kushner better be the perfect husband to Ivanka, because if he steps out ot line, Trump will have his balls on a plate.
It's possibly why he looks so haunted all the time these days

lionheart · 18/05/2020 10:41

Oh dear.

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B1rdbra1n · 18/05/2020 10:43

I wonder how Shayna felt after that reply?
Perhaps she is now floating on cloud nine because the dear leader spoke to her directly?

lionheart · 18/05/2020 10:47

Justice Kennedy, I believe, Roussette.

The justice with the son who worked for Deutsche Bank.

Just before he suddenly decided on early retirement...

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