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Sendhelppls · 07/04/2020 17:02

A few weeks ago, my landlords agent emailed me to ask if I was ok for a gas safety engineer to come and do inspections. At the time I had symptoms of flu (not sure if it was covid-19 or not) so I replied and said it wasn’t a good idea and not fair on a work man to come into my home and catch anything.

They’ve emailed me again today and said is it ok for him to come now?
I’ve emailed back and said under current isolation rules it’s not sensible for work men to be coming into my property especially as I have a two year old child here with me. We haven’t left the house in three weeks as I’m also 33 weeks pregnant so the risk just isn’t worth it. I feel like letting a work man come into my home completely defeats the purpose of us self isolating and puts us at risk.

Am I being unreasonable? I understand it’s essential to carry out the inspection but I think they should wait until the virus has calmed down or at least until Boris says it’s okay to visit each other again.

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Lockheart · 07/04/2020 17:09

Well we don't know how long this will go on for. It's up to you of course but how long are you prepared to live in a house which doesn't have a current gas safety certificate?

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 07/04/2020 17:16

Yes it's basically your decision here.

Have you got a carbon monoxide alarm? If so, i'd leave the safety check till lockdown is over.

TheGlitterFairy · 07/04/2020 17:19

Tricky as they’re still a legal requirement

JumpingOnTheBed · 07/04/2020 17:19

I'm sure someone else with much better knowledge on this will come along but I would be declining this right now, it's more risky to have a stranger in your house right now than not having a gas certificate. Was the previous one completed a year ago? I'm a home owner and didn't get ours checked in 7 years (bad but I'm sure a lot of home owners are the same!)

LIZS · 07/04/2020 17:19

When does your certificate expire? It is ll statutory responsibility to provide an annual certificate and does not take long. The check is in your interest. If at all possible allow access before your baby arrives, even if it means you remove yourselves to separate room or outside for the duration. The situation msy not change for many weeks yet.

monkeymonkey2010 · 07/04/2020 17:20

well the Gas Safety check is for your benefit......why not treat it like you would a midwife/HV visit - essential and can be managed?

Maggie9000 · 07/04/2020 17:21

Gas safety checks are still allowed according to GasSafe who regulate gas engineers. Your landlord I would imagine will be reluctant to let you live in the property without a current gas certificate as if something were to happen off the back of NOT getting your appliances checked, the landlord would be liable and I'm sure you're aware the consequences could be fatal. We run a plumbing company, and are still carrying out emergencies and gas safety checks. We've furloughed most of our staff so only two remain working. As long as you and the engineer maintain social distancing and hand washing I really would advise you get it done.

Isleepinahedgefund · 07/04/2020 17:21

Govt guidance is that these kind of inspections should continue. You should let them in - it doesn't take very long and is essential for your safety.

Ask them to wash their hands immediately upon entering your house and without touching anything, keep your child in another room.

tealandteal · 07/04/2020 17:22

As long as no problems the checks are usually completed very quickly, last time it was done in my 2yo nap time right outside his room. I would rather have it now than when the new baby is here I think.

Eeyoresstickhouse · 07/04/2020 17:23

It is your landlords legal requirement to have an up to date gas safety certificate. You may invalidate the landlord insurance and find yourself being asked to leave with 3 months notice (this is the new law while corona is going on. You can still be given notice but it must be for a minimum of 3 months). You don't want to be evicted with a newborn baby!

I personally would let them in to do the checks. Keep yourself and your child in a different room and then clean with spray after they have left. They will be no more than an hour at the very most. Get it over and done with, clean and then get on with life.

JKScot4 · 07/04/2020 17:24

Your LL legally needs to have a valid safety certificate, it doesn’t take long and you can ask him to txt when at door and just leave him to it.

Twofurrycatsagain · 07/04/2020 17:26

www.gassaferegister.co.uk/help-and-advice/covid-19-advice-and-guidance/landlords/
Gives advice and examples of situations

BakedCam · 07/04/2020 17:27

I think you are BU, in this instance.

Gas safety checks are a mandatory requirement. Were something to happen, it would affect the landlords insurance, your home contents insurance and could put the lives of others at risk.

It is your landlord's responsibility to ensure the property has this check.

It takes less than an hour and is for your own safety and that of your child.

mrsbaseball · 07/04/2020 17:27

I had mine last week. My D.C played at the bottom of the garden. The gas man did his stuff in the kitchen, I stayed in the dining room. Then after he left i cleaned the kitchen and hallway with anti bacterial spray.

It’s such an important thing to have checked so I had to have it done.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 07/04/2020 17:27

As service is still an essential repair, plus a legal requirement, allow the gas engineer to attend and for all in the household to observe social distancing.

user1483387154 · 07/04/2020 17:30

You are being unreasonable it is essential to have these certificates

Hippofrog · 07/04/2020 17:30

The HSE are still requesting that landlords carry out their safety checks. I’m sure the engineers don’t want to do it either but until the HSE change their regulations like the MOT regs then I can’t see what can be done.

NailsNeedDoing · 07/04/2020 17:30

It needs to be done so I wouldn’t obstruct it, just take the normal precautions. The engineer will be trying to keep himself safe too and will probably wear a face mask etc, which will proctor you at the same time.

DobbinEweInn · 07/04/2020 17:36

There is guidance on Gas Safe and HSE about safety inspections for vulnerable shielding etc.

If you don't want them in then you should be prepared to put in writing:

CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19): ADVICE FOR LANDLORDS
The HSE have provided the following guidance for landlords.
Landlords have a duty of care to their tenants. This is a legal duty to repair and maintain gas pipework, flues and appliances in a safe condition, to ensure an annual gas safety check on each appliance and flue, and to keep a record of each safety check. During the Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak, there is a balance between ensuring people, including the vulnerable, are protected from possibly fatal risks arising from carbon monoxide exposure or gas explosion, while doing what we can to protect people from COVID-19.

Current guidance from HM Government states that work can still be carried out in people’s homes where necessary, eg for reasons of safety, provided that the GOV.UK guidance on social distancing is followed. See ‘Advice for engineers’ for guidance for engineers and their employers regarding working in peoples’ homes.

The law is flexible and where it is not possible to carry out a gas safety check, it will normally be enough to show that you took reasonable steps to do so. In the event you are unable to gain access to the property, eg refusal of access due to tenants self-isolating, or if you are unable to engage a registered gas engineer to carry out the work due to a shortage of available engineers, you will be expected to be able to demonstrate that you took reasonable steps to comply with the law. This should include records of communication with the tenant and details of your engineers attempts to gain access. You should seek to arrange the safety check as soon as all parties are available.

Landlords should not suspend all gas safety checks at this time as it will unnecessarily put tenants at increased risk, particularly as people are spending most, and in some cases all, of their time at home. Each property should be considered on a case-by-case basis, completing safety checks where tenants permit access and gas engineers are available. If you are unable to secure the services of your usual engineers, you must make reasonable attempts to obtain alternative services. Where you cannot and resource has to be prioritised you can do so, taking into account factors such as (this list is not exhaustive):

the age and type of appliances;
previous maintenance/work carried out;
breakdown history;
the presence of CO alarms; and
whether the tenant is considered vulnerable for reasons other than risk from coronavirus (COVID-19).
Example scenarios
These example scenarios are to help landlords understand what may be considered reasonable steps to take, to demonstrate compliance with their duties to have appliances checked annually (under the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations) during the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak. They are not exhaustive. Landlords will need to assess the risks for each situation on a case-by-case basis.

See also Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government Coronavirus (COVID-19) Guidance for Landlords and Tenants.

Scenario 1 – Vulnerable person
Example: Your tenant informs you that they do not want anyone to come to their home as they fall into the Government’s vulnerable people category (they are aged 70 or over and/or are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus).

What you must do: You can delay completing the landlords gas safety check until after your tenant’s isolation period has ended. You must arrange for this to take place as soon as possible after the isolation period has ended.

You must be able demonstrate that you have taken reasonable steps to arrange and reschedule the gas safety check; we strongly advise that you keep records of all communication and correspondence with the tenant, including emails and text messages if applicable.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 07/04/2020 17:38

You could ask them to supply mask gloves and shoe covers to the engineer, open all the windows before he arrives, then close yourself and your son away in a room whilst he carries out the checks.

After he leaves, Don some gloves and anti bac wipe over all surfaces and touch points.

LittleLittleLittle · 07/04/2020 17:39

OP you need to put it in writing (email) to your landlord that you are 33 weeks pregnant so fall into the vulnerable category. Then add the links to the appropriate government guidance.

However come the end of June when you have a newborn you are going to have to let the inspection happen without any fuss.

@Twofurrycatsagain thanks for the link.

Comefromaway · 07/04/2020 17:40

It’s illegal for the landlord to rent the property to you if the gas safe cert has expired. It’s been made clear this testing should continue.

However as you are pregnant you are on the governments vulnerable list & the HSE guidance gives this example

Example: Your tenant informs you that they do not want anyone to come to their home as they fall into the Government’s vulnerable people category (they are aged 70 or over and/or are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus).

What you must do: You can delay completing the landlords gas safety check until after your tenant’s isolation period has ended. You must arrange for this to take place as soon as possible after the isolation period has ended.

You must be able demonstrate that you have taken reasonable steps to arrange and reschedule the gas safety check; we strongly advise that you keep records of all communication and correspondence with the tenant, including emails and text messages if applicable.

Comefromaway · 07/04/2020 17:41

X post with Dobbin

Sendhelppls · 07/04/2020 17:42

Good point everyone about the virus lasting longer and having to have it done after I’ve had my baby. I’m just worried as I’ve seen two articles this week of children dying of the virus.

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Sendhelppls · 07/04/2020 17:44

They’ve replied now and said that there hasn’t been a break in carrying out inspections and it’s a legal requirement.
They then said that none of their engineers have symptoms. It’s not symptoms that are worrying me, it’s the fact that they could be carrying the germs on their clothing/hands etc and will be going from house to house and picking up bacteria.

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