To feel very uncomfortable about the government declining to buy ventilators when given the chance to by the EU in order to give contracts to Tory supporters like Dyson and JCB to make new ones?

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Am I the only one to feel increasingly uncomfortable about Tory/Brexit supporting companies like Dyson and JCB being given large contracts to design and build ventilators which have not been given approval? Why do we need a new type of ventilator when there are already approved designs which could be just built by experienced companies who we could pay to increase capacity? We will have to wait for all kinds of approvals and tests for these new ones. There isn’t time to fuck about.

This concern is combined with the fact that the government declined to buy ventilators as part of a EU bulk buy just a few weeks ago.

It seems to be that some of these companies, one in particular who doesn’t pay tax here are chomping at the bit to get into the taxpayers trough during a crisis and are encouraging time wasting when all we need is a fuck ton of ventilators built to established designs.

What are the government playing at?

Do these companies employ British workers?

Any port in a storm. As long as the country is getting ventilators then I don't much care where they come from. I'm not going to be turning down a ventilator because it was made by a Tory supporting company.
Yes, they should have taken the EU up on their offer a few weeks ago but they didn't, if the offer isn't still there then more fool the government but they have to go elsewhere.

This situation is the exact and precise opposite of any port in a storm.

Maybe they want British workers to make them?

Until someone shows me hard evidence to contrary, I assume the government are choosing to get ventilators in the quickest way possible.

In general, if you don't understand why things are the way the are, assume that you lack the information that would explain it, rather than that there isn't a reasonable explanation.

The Tories actively want poor people to die.

Bozo said as much in his first speech on the virus when he was telling us we needed to develop herd immunity.

Yes, they should have taken the EU up on their offer a few weeks ago but they didn't, if the offer isn't still there then more fool the government but they have to go elsewhere.

The offer was still there. After the govt said they'd 'missed the e-mail' the eu offered again. Govt said no.

It's a political choice over peoples lives. But its ok we are just the 'herd'

The Tories actively want poor people to die.

And this is why there’s no tin foil left in ASDA...

They should have took the offer then, are they available to offer now. Arrogance is a curse it will be the cause of many more deaths. Time is of the essence.
Same with Ireland waiting till the explosion to realise they need more PPE equipment.
Shower of arseholes.

I wouldn't give two shits where my bloody ventilator came from. The devil himself could have made it.

And the EU is so organised isn't it? What has it actually done in terms of rolling out a coherent, cohesive policy? Had 27 meetings (last count) without agreeing ANYTHING.

Ford's in Dagenham will be making ventilators within the next 2 weeks.

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They didn't decline though did they? I'm sure it was reported that the email offering the chance to join went into a spam folder and so we missed out, didn't decline.

(Though I have to say, it does sound implausible, more like a "dog ate my homework" excuse than the truth, but I'm sure that's what they said)

There are British companies that make ventilators. They contacted the government and offered to increase production capacity. They have been ignored in favour of Dyson and JCB. I'll try and find the link to that story as saw it last week/early this week.

Are these extra ventilator not in production already? In 2 weeks the death toll will rise massively.

They did decline. The email excuse was a load of shit.
Speaking on Friday, a spokesperson for the European Commission confirmed Britain is able to participate in “any joint procurement” during the 11-month Brexit transition period.

Rubbishing the administrative error claim, they went on: “The member states’ needs for personal protective equipment have been discussed several times in the meetings of the health security committee where the UK participated.

“At these meetings, the commission stressed its readiness to further support countries with the procurement of medical countermeasures if needed, so member states and the UK had the opportunity to signal their interest to participate in any joint procurements.”

From the Independent

So people are going to suffocate to death because some members of the government want their mates to try out new fancy untested designs for shed lots of tax money?

This is instead of going with companies based here that already have approved designs, factories and experience to knock ventilators out from today plus bulk buy with the EU and also get them quickly so we have even more?

What on earth is going on here? We just need proven workable ventilators now not unproven experiments conducted by mates which need time for testing and approval.

They didn't decline to buy them. They weren't on offer. They didn't join a joint procurement scheme, where all members of the scheme would source whatever ventilators they could, and allocate them amongst scheme members, presumably according to need.

This could have seen the UK get less than it wanted as the needs of other countries (Italy, Spain) are greater. Whether it is moral to try to buy more when other nations' suffering is greater is a different question, but the government is answerable to the UK public and believes this is the most likely path to obtaining the best best result for them.

Interesting that the Dyson ventilators are 'no longer required' after the government 'provisionally ordered' 10,000 of them. After the government ignored the offers of normal ventilator companies to produce them. Veeery fishy

Sounds like a publicity stunt to make the government and Dyson look good.

Apparently the fact that the government no longer want these ventilators cost Dyson £20m but Dyson are going to take it on the chin and not charge the government for it