Collecting a new puppy

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My friend is worried about the following situation

Puppy due to be collected in 10 days. Not a rescue due to other circumstances meaning they wanted a puppy that would definitely get along with their other animals and children. They did donate to a rescue also.

The breeder has a v small house and 5 dogs of their own so have said there's no room to keep all of the puppies there for potentially months while we go into lockdown. They don't have a garden either.
My friend is working from home in a big house with a big garden and has annual leave booked to help puppy settle in, but the journey to collect the puppy isn't a necessary journey.

What would you do? Should she go and get a non-contact swap of puppy? They can put directly into a crate into the car without any contact.

Comes under the heading "Essential shopping" in my book. There is no increase in the infection rate. Puppy in crate, given to friend, drive it home. Haven't any of you been to your local shops lately? Im beginning to despair of the majority of you, I really am!

Your ‘“friend” should not be making unnecessary journeys. The Olympics have been cancelled/postponed. That’s a fucking huge clue as to how serious this is!
Your “friend” is buying from a puppy farm, shame on them, but for your “friend” to be as thick as mince when it comes to unnecessary travel, I’m not sure your “friend” should really be responsible for an actual dog!

This is an incredibly irresponsible breeder, how can you, when you know dogs live for 10-15 years, have five dogs in a flat without a garden, because surely, in a 15 year period, you might have a time you can't walk the dogs outside, for any reason such as a broken leg, illness, both get the flu, all the obvious reasons even excluding corona. Utterly awful people and your friend is stupid, I wouldn't take the puppy as if they think that's ok, what else have they done that isn't best breeding practice?

Get the puppy quick

I’d get my dog now
It’s yours you have paid for it
Go get your dog

I stand corrected - she has read the thread and said it's a small terraced house with a small paved garden but the dogs are taken to run around the park every day and the breeder is also a dog walker who takes them with him to work. Sorry!!

But even so, she takes all of your points and will think about it.

STAY.

AT.

HOME.

Dogs can’t go out till after injections at 8 and 10 weeks ,I hope the puppies are not taken out to the park

The breeder is very irresponsible to have so many dogs in her small house and quite frankly I’d want to take them all home and away from her 😢 very tricky I think I’d want the puppy safely away from that environment I do think she needs to be reported. This is upsetting the poor dogs 😔

No 8wks yet & due to be collected in 10 days?

I thought that they had to be 12wks!

Can't believe how people justify getting from a backyard breeder-to get along with kids & other animals

Yup, backyard breeding & leaving the mum too early (because the breeder won't keep it any longer than they absolutely have to) will be just the ticket!

I could be wrong but I'm sure corinavirus can live on fur too.
Can you bath a 8 week old puppy?
Sorry, there's just too much risk and the breeders environment sounds unprofessional.

The breeder sounds pretty awful and if that's the situation I would be concerned about having a pup from them anyway. Good breeders are the ones prepared to take a pup back if it goes wrong, for the good of the dog. This doesn't sound like that kind of situation (regardless of whether they have had and kept a returned pup in the past, it sounds like the situation is such that they no longer can) and I'd be wary of having a pup from them full stop. If your friends are intent on having the pup and there is no option to wait then I suppose they'll have to go today to get it and do a contactless transfer. A magic wand doesn't get waved at 8 weeks. If the pup is 7 and a half weeks, healthy, weaned, microchipped (and hopefully had first vaccinations), then no reason they can't go to their new home now. I think it's a foolish idea, though, and directly in contradiction of the, very necessary, lockdown currently in place.

I'd wait, and the breeder should be prepared to as well. On a personal level, we've got one pup left at our house. He was returned to us once due to a change in circumstances, and was due to go to his new home this week, but we've got him until lockdown is lifted now, as that's the responsible thing to do. He's been well socialised up to this point, and I'll keep doing what I can to introduce him to new sights, smells and sounds safely. On the plus side for the new owners, they'll have a house-trained pup with basic obedience training by the time they're able to collect him!

It's a shitty situation that should never have been lowed to arise @marchez but she's obviously going to do it anyway so it might as well be done safely. Perhaps she could do her shop on the same 15 minute drive.

Can your friend and the breeder not arrange to do a foodshop at the same place same time somewhere in the middle and then combine the pick up with an essential trip for food?

By taking the dog (that the breeder has touched)
Coming into contact with the breeder and their home
And making an unnecessary trip - they are part of the problem.

This still sounds like a backyard breeder.

I am all for people buying puppies too, I know some people on here are militant About rescue only, but I know there are reasons (IMO) to get a puppy.
However, now more than ever, there are SO many dogs, including puppies, in rescues. And rescues are swamped. And most people are not looking at adopting.
Your friend should look there.

She should not get a dog from this breeder - particularly if they are willing to let it go pre 8 weeks. Or saying they won’t / can’t keep it.
They should’ve thought of that before they bred their dog.
What exactly are they implying they’ll do with the puppies?
And why on earth do they already have so many dogs in a small house.

The breeder and your friend should each drive 15 minutes to an agreed pick up point. The breeder places a pet carrier containing the puppy, in the assigned spot and gets back in the car. Your friend, wearing gloves, wipes down the outside of the carrier with disinfectant and places it in her car, then drives home.

You should also both wear long, beige trench coats, a trilby hat and carry a briefcase whilst looking nervously over your shoulder 🙄

I wouldn't go. Even without the virus, I wouldn't be giving a penny to this breeder.

Get your money back. A "breeder" with 5 dogs and. No garden is not a good "breeder" your pup will have issues. 8 weeks is to early regardless needs to be 10 weeks. Toilet training is going to be a nightmare too for a pup that's never seen a piece of grass. What were you thinking.

This back yard breeder sounds hideous. Report

I would go and get the puppy.

Pandemic or no pandemic, this does not sound like a responsible breeder. If you don’t have room in your home for every single puppy you are responsible for, then you’re not an ethical breeder. I’ve never come across a responsible and ethical breeder who doesn’t insist the puppies come back if the owners can’t cope/don’t want it. So, breeders should be prepared to keep all dogs.