to think carers are keyworkers

[Samcro]

watching the news and stuff and no mention of carers.
without them care homes will be in trouble. vulnerable people will be left to fend for themselves.

Supermarket staff won't be on the list, that's half of the country, most are part timers.

My husband works in a supermarket, the drivers are apparently being classed as keyworkers according to our school but no mention of the people loading the shelves with goods from the arriving pallets or of the staff picking the goods for home delivery. He (and his colleagues) has to go to work otherwise the food and bog rolls wouldn't make it out to all those that need them.

@housepicturesqueclub my husband is on a full time contract and if he and the other staff dont go to work good luck getting your food.

Oh and every single day lately him and his colleagues are receiving verbal abuse from gobshites who cant understand it's not their fault eejits are panic buying and wiping the shelves as soon as the unload the pallets.

surely if one person......so say i am a carer and my partner is an estate agent(disclaimer we are naiver of those) I may be a keyworker, but as he isn't we don't count.
so that would narrow it down as partner can child care.????

Samcro we are in the same position. DS can't come "home", it hasn't been his home for 6 years, so we need the staff to get support

@Davros so nice to see you. we used to chat back in my 2shoes days.
dd can't come home either. we are not set up for her now, no gp and stuff.(she does come home but just for a day or 2) a lot of the people at her place are older and that is their only home.

We already have this in place here in the Netherlands. Instead of specific key jobs, the list covers blanket core groups - for example roles related to food production and distribution; roles related to production and distribution of medicines and medical devices; etc. I would imagine the UK will probably follow something similar.

Got to be key workers. I’m classed as a key worker and my job is nowhere near as important or essential as care workers.

2Shoes / Samcro how nice to see you too! DS is still (just about) in a Young Adult provision. He should be leaving this year but they made a mistake and told me a year later! Ha ha, no way was I letting that go so we've got another year. On the assumption, of course, that they manage to stay open and don't have to find him somewhere else to go where he might get stuck.
The Netherlands solution makes sense

Davros dd is in adult social care. but its very good.

My sister is a doctors receptionist she’s classed as a key worker, spoke to a fellow mum this morning she works in a supermarket she’s not classed as a key worker

For further info this is what the Dutch government website published before our schools closed: (translated via google - formatting lost, original can be found on

www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/coronavirus-covid-19/cruciale-beroepsgroepen

Critical professions for COVID-19
Specifically for COVID-19, there are crucial professions to keep society going during the COVID-19 outbreak. Parents or carers who work on this can use childcare. The list of these crucial professions is as follows:

Care, Youth Aid and (Social) Support, including production and transport of medicines and medical devices.
Teachers and staff needed at school, such as for distance learning, childcare and exams.
Public transport.
Food chain: the food chain must be viewed widely. This consists of supermarkets, the supply of supermarkets, the processing industry and the transports of this industry, but also the collection of products from farmers, the delivery of, for example, cattle feed and other products to farmers, the access of workers to the harvest.
Transport of fuels such as coal, oil, petrol and diesel, etc.
Transport of waste and garbage.
Day-care.
Media and communication: for the provision of information to society that is necessary to keep abreast of what is going on.
Continuity of emergency services (police and defense have already been declared vital):
control room processes
fire service
ambulance care
GHOR
crisis management of the security regions
Necessary government processes (central government, province and municipality), such as paying benefits and benefits, civil affairs, consulates and embassies, judicial institutions and forensic clinics.
Vital processes
The Netherlands has always had companies that have processes that have been designated as vital. Even if you fulfill an indispensable function for one of these vital processes, you can still call on the shelter. It concerns approximately 100 companies that are already aware of this.

National transport and distribution of electricity
Regional electricity distribution
Gas production, national transport and distribution
Regional gas distribution
Oil supply

Internet and data services
ICT / telecom
Internet access and data traffic

Voice service and SMS

Location and timing by GNSS
Drinking water supply
Drinking water
Turning and managing water quantity
Flight and airplane handling
Shipping handling

Large-scale production / processing and / or storage of (petro) chemical substances
Storage, production and processing of nuclear material
Counter payment transactions
Massive cashless payment transactions

High-quality payment transactions between banks

Securities dealing

Communication with and between emergency services through 112 and C2000
Police deployment

Basic registrations for persons and organizations B Digital government processes
Interconnectivity (transaction infrastructure for information from key registers)

Electronic messaging and provision of information to citizens

Identification and authentication of citizens and companies

Defense deployment
Transport of persons and goods on (main) railway infrastructure
Transport on (main) road network

Care needs to be exercised here or schools will be struggling to manage. Kind of defeats whole purpose of closing if 100s kids still coming in

Home carers and personal assistants are essential workers. They keep young people like me out of care homes.

I need 3 x personal assistants who do 6 hour each a week to help with almost everything from cocking, eating, dressing and am also registered blind, and unable to go out alone.

All 3 of my PAs are self isolating (one has already been off 2 weeks with her son being ill, not this virus though) and it's like noone remembers I'm here. I keeping calling to ask for my contingency allowance and keep getting told things are in hand but noone has been allocated to help me. I hope things improve for everyone.

Two parent households will have to have both parents as key workers surely.

Our school has said they will be asking for proof of key worker status from all adults in the household and they already know how many adults are in the household from the kids records.

I'm sure care workers will count as essential workers.

To be honest I think realistically the list of key workers will have to be quite long.

Just in the NHS I know people automatically think of doctors and nurses, but we also need porters, catering staff, cleaners, IT support, estates maintenance, admin staff etc to keep running on a day to day basis. No idea whether associated health professionals (OTs, physios, SALTs, psychologists etc) will make the cut for being a key worker.

Outside the NHS there will still need to be provision for shops and petrol stations to remain open, as well as bin men, utilities staff, delivery drivers, essential engineering staff...

In reality the list of key workers could end up being a significant amount of people.

So many key workers that are in some of the poorest paid jobs. Hopefully this is something that can be looked at in the future.

They should be included (you'd hope), I think the list will also be fairly extensive, with a lot of jobs most of us take for granted as just happening, like bin collections.

There will be a massive list if keyworkers and carers will absolutely be included.

I wonder if there needs to be some sort of coordination in terms of peoples shifts and how they use the schools. For example both me and DP are front line NHS workers but since we work shifts there is only a handful of days over the next few weeks where we would need childcare so rather then send him in everyday only send him on the days we need to. I realise many would still need school everyday but for those that don't maybe it would lighten the load and lower the risk

I wonder how necessary it is for secondary schools to be offering this. Surely once they get to that age they should be capable of staying home whilst a parent is at work.

I hope someone thinks to add vets to the key worker list

sweeneytoddsrazor Thu 19-Mar-20 12:15:10
I wonder how necessary it is for secondary schools to be offering this. Surely once they get to that age they should be capable of staying home whilst a parent is at work.

I know of secondary aged kids where individually they'd be fine at home, but due to special needs they rub each other up the wrong way and cannot be left home alone together. If that makes sense. I doubt they are the only family in that situation, but if a parent can't be home with them they could maybe alternate days at school.

Of course, there are others who, due to special needs or behavioural issues also can't be left alone for too long, even at secondary age.

I wasn't including children with additional needs. Obviously that should go without saying but the majority of pupils that age should be able to be left at home whilst a parent works.

@Mrsfrumble I’m hoping things will be made clearer today, I’m in Scotland am frontline nhs with a husband who can’t work from home. He works in structural engineering in agriculture so has no contact with anyone else so has been told to continue working until told otherwise, meaning if he goes off Due to schools closing he won’t get paid and he makes a lot more money than me