To think that anti-vaxers

[GladAllOver]

who are allowing measles to spread should not be permitted to have the Covid vaccine when it eventually arrives, unless they have the MMR jab too.

I would not be first inline to get the coronavirus vaccine.
I got the swine flu one when I was pregnant and then discovered about the narcolepsy.

This would be totally unethical.

I do genuinely wonder if this pandemic has changed anti vaxxers minds or not. Is it still all a big pharma conspiracy now that people are dying of something that we don't have a vaccine for?

@GladAllOver I like the cut of your jib.

@Ponoka7 are you bad with reading comprehension or something? The OP said anti-vaxxers. Why are you bringing up all those other people?

"They'll be busy typing (well more linking) to their crackpot "sources" about how it's all a conspiracy/big pharma/freemasons/5G/insert (or make up) as applicable."

Have just read a meme:

"Anti vaxxers getting a free demo of a vaccine free world"

ON POINT!

Stupid people deserve medical care too unfortunately, and I'd rather anti-vaxxers had some vaccines even if they won't have all of them. YABU (but I get where you are coming from).

Please don't run for health secretary op

@JingsMahBucket, no my comprehension is fine, so is my knowledge of people. Do you think that an antivaxer will admit to being an antivaxer if it means that they won't be protected?

How would we police that and were would the Staff and the money come from?

The OP made it sound as though it was as easy as asking if the person had the MMR, which it isn't.

Perhaps I'm in an evidence-based social media bubble but the antivaxxers seem to be rather quiet about this new virus. Perhaps they're relaxed and happily awaiting its natural and welcome onslaught so feel no need to chunter away. Who knows.

There is already some hand-wringing in a couple of FB groups I'm a member of about "are you going to get the vaccine if/when it becomes available?". Lots of people saying yes they will be getting it, lots of people saying no because of the usual anti-vaxx stuff.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/childhood-inoculation-rates-are-falling-but-are-anti-vaccine-campaigns-really-to-blame-anti-vaxxers-measles-medicine-health

My anti vax boss thinks this is all a fuss about nothing, that she had a virus for 3 days before Xmas which was probably corona and she is fine and is posting shit articles about how only 2 people in Italy died of confirmed corona. Oh and we work with cancer patients. I shall probably have to resign very soon because I can't cope with her being so irresponsible

Luckily the NHS doesn't operate a "serves you right" policy or attitude.

Anti vaxxers are usually vaccinated themselves aren't they?

So it'll be their children who would be punished. Which isn't right.

OP you are massively over simplifying the issues around vaccinations and anti-vaxxers. People who chose not to vaccinate have lots of different reasons for making their choice not to vaccinate and people who look in from the outside of that individual decision will decide on the validity of that choice- rightly or wrongly that's human nature.

By your definition I am an anti-vaxxer. My offspring have complied with all vaccinations within guideline times except the MMR. My brother is severely disabled but hit milestones right up until the day of the MMR and he had an immediate reaction to the vaccine (blue lighted to local children's hospital before being transferred to London hospital which he remained under until reaching adulthood). Official line is that the vaccine is unrelated to my brothers disability. Wider family feeling was perhaps a dodgy batch of vaccines as similar happened to others in the area but nothing was ever proved. Roll on 20years and my sisters daughter had a similar reaction immediately after the vaccination and disability was diagnosed shortly after. Same story 'unlikely' to be vaccine related, and common sense says we would be incredibly unlucky to have received two faulty batch vaccines 20+ years apart. My husband has a genetic condition which meant we decided to take advice from a geneticist before we conceived. One of the concerns I raised was around vaccines given my family history and the geneticist advised me that whilst officially he was required to advise that the vaccine programme should be followed and the benefits outweigh the risks, it is entirely possible that there is something in my family genetics that dont agree with the MMR, and they frankly still have a lot to learn about genetics. I could not allow my children to have a vaccine that they appear to have some kind of predisposition to react to, even though we dont know what that predisposition is. Judge away but my job as a mother is to put my child welfare first and so I make judgements based on that......not the positions of the stars. The fact that you would deny my child access to other vaccines because of concerns about one says far more about you than it does me.

What Lockhart said.
(And yes, my kids are fully vaccined and I still say that.)

It’s very possible immunisation history may be a filter for ICU treatment if we ever get to or beyond an Italy type situation. Age will definitely be one. BMI under 40. Diabetes. High blood pressure. Cancer history. Heart health. Drinking / smoking / drug history. Only the people with the best chance of recovery (not necessarily survival) will be given a ventilator.

@Ponoka7 no she didn’t. And your post still didn’t make sense.

Op is obviously referring to the idiots who would rather their child die than get autism, because it's so obviously caused by a vaccine. It's not, you're born with it, but you can't fix stupid. They will be the ones out panic buying toilet roll. She's not meaning those who didn't have access to it. My mum didn't have access and she got polio as a child. Now has issues with her ears. Although she is at least lucky and isn't deaf like many others. But you know, still better than autism, right?

So no they shouldn't get any vaccine. They've made their opinions clear, you can generally find the idiots on Facebook very easily. Their children could have it though obviously, no sense in them suffering just because their parents have an iq of 2 combined between them.

@JingsMahBucket,

I'll put it in simple terms, as the OP has suggested.

So we roll out a vaccination program quickly. We are called into our doctors, health centres, walk ins and schools, as well as other centres, mobile groups, so that people without local GPs, non British people, homeless, travellers and everyone who is in the UK, because not everyone lives exactly like the OP does, in a permanent brick built house having been brought up in the same, here in the UK.

So we have an army of people who since the crisis started have been pushed to the limit.

So on top of giving out the vaccines, they have to check if the person has had the MMR and then ask them why. Is the truth going to be told do you think, or will they lie to get the vaccine?

Do we make people get the MMR first and so they come back in two months, but we protect their children meanwhile?

Do we do that with visiting/short stay/refugee non British people, if we don't is it fair to deny our own citizens the same?

If the homeless people aren't trackable and they don't know, again do we ignore that some people haven't had the MMR?

Or do we just do the sensible thing that will get rid of this virus as quickly as possible and just give everyone the vaccine? That includes no questions asked so those in the country illegally can get the vaccine, so this never returns.

The OP seems completely unaware of the different demographics that make up the UK. Then you understand the complications of putting conditions on something so vital.

I haven’t had the MMR.

I have had Measles Mumps and Rubella (German Measles) and like my fellow classmates at the time didn’t actually die or become seriously ill.

Are you saying that because I haven’t had the MMR (never heard of when I was young) that I can’t have a potential vaccine against a disease that would kill off at least 1 close member of my family?

Thanks for all the comments!
I was expecting a strong YABU but it seems that 50% agree with the sentiment. Of course it would be very controversial and difficult to implement.
I just feel very strongly that so many people selfishly avoid MMR because of some crap they have read on SM. They should not be able to pick and choose which expert medical advice to believe.

@Ponoka7 you wrote all that and your reading comprehension still seems to be shit. Nowhere in your diatribes are you addressing the core premise of the OP -- denying anti-vaxxers the medication. All those other people/demographics you mention would get it in her scenario if they weren't anti-vaxxers. Simple. Done.

Is that simple enough for you? Enjoy your (unqualified ranty) day.

forcing people to do anything that they can legally choose not to do, such as you propose, has no place in a democratic society, whether you agree with their decisions or not