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I just told my husband that he has to be calmer with our 3yr old and of course he thinks I'm being unreasonable

25 replies

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 18:27

I don't have anyone I can talk to about this in real life because I genuinely think they might think really badly about my husband. As you don't know us I might get different views. He's definitely depressed right now, though I'm not sure he'd admit it. It's coming out as anger, a very familiar pattern for him. He's not seeking help. He said the other day that he needed a break as he's feeling frazzled and stressed with work etc. and this week I offered to do more childcare to help. I usually do most of it (and work ft) but recently we agreed to e.g. alternate bedtimes to give me some downtime, so I was mainly offering to cover that.

My husband has been spending very little time with our 3yr old, but for the second time this week that time has been spent with them both shouting at each other. The 3yr old is quite whiny at the moment and admittedly more so with my husband they'd spend time with me and not him. I find it draining for me, the constant demands, but also realise it must be heartbreaking for my husband to not get hugs, be told to go away etc. So the 3yr old has these big (though relatively short-lived) tantrums. They are loud and very annoying but part of life, and otherwise our 3yr old is a delight.

To the AIBU, I've just gone in to offer taking over bathtime because within minutes I could hear what sounded like a tantrum from both of them. The usual from our 3yr old of wanting to do everything independently, but my husband answering back, voice raised. To my ears it was like he was arguing with a peer rather than a 3yr old. On response to me offering to take over (which I get was probably really annoying as well), he started to tell me all the things our 3yr old had said to annoy him and it honestly sounded like a child "telling" on another child. I said as much - something like "you can't tell me this as if you're both children, you're the adult" (I can hear how annoying that sounds...) and now my husband is furious with me. Absolutely furious.

There is almost definitely part of this that is me being unreasonable, but at what stage do you risk annoying the adult if you feel that your child is being exposed to tone or attitude that could be damaging?

It was like a primal feeling that made me take that decision to go in and say something, but I can also see how much stuff like this could damage our already fragile relationship and come across as me being controlling. He will see it as criticising his parenting, which tbh I was.

He is FURIOUS. And I can kind of understand why, but also can see that he will try to make it my fault. So probably good for me to get some perspective on how unreasonable I've been. Thanks.

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LouHotel · 14/03/2020 18:29

Did you tell your husband off in front of your child?

Wolfiefan · 14/03/2020 18:31

He’s in the wrong.
Kids can be a PITA! But it’s up to us to model the behaviour we want and to deal with their behaviour in a calm and measured way. (Not always easy I know!)
My DH once said of DD “she started it”! FFS. It took me ages to get him to understand why I was Hmm

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 18:31

No, I offered to help, then we spoke quietly outside the bathroom door.

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7Penguins · 14/03/2020 18:33

Young children don’t have the emotional processing parts of the brain developed yet, we have to keep that in mind especially when they are tantruming.
Your husband will need to learn self-control, no question about it.

BitOfFun · 14/03/2020 18:34

You can't tread on eggshells all the time, or you'll start suffering with your MH too. This isn't going to stop until he seeks help: I'd focus on that.

SummerHouse · 14/03/2020 18:36

You were absolutely right. Me and my DP always dive in when the other is losing it and offer to take over. The person losing it says "yes please" and walks away. He is behaving like a child and he needs to know when he needs to step away and be grateful. I would have that conversation with him. Best not in front of the three year old but in that scenario he didn't really give you a choice.

Sparrowlegs248 · 14/03/2020 18:37

I'm on the fence here a bit. Because I'm not perfect, and 3 yr olds (and 4 yr olds, I have one of each) can be really fucking annoying. I do think your husband was in the wrong, but any intervention from you was bound to go down badly given the circumstances.

Can you talk to him once everything has calmed down?

Sparrowlegs248 · 14/03/2020 18:39

Don't get me wrong, he needs to learn to deal with it, and also when to just say yes , thanks, and leave you to it. Equally, that's not fair on you is it?

AnotherEmma · 14/03/2020 18:39

YANBU

I would be giving him an ultimatum. He does counselling and/or anger management and/or a parenting course or he fucks off.

Quartz2208 · 14/03/2020 18:39

If he is depressed he needs to admit it and get help because otherwise people will and should think badly of him

lazylinguist · 14/03/2020 18:40

YANBU. Your husband appears to be utterly failing to understand what a 3 year-old child is, and why they cannot be expected to reason and behave like a 10yo or an adult. He is allowing his own emotions to dictate how he speaks to your child, instead of using common sense or compassion for his own small child. It's not only unacceptable, it's counter-productive in terms of instilling good behaviour in your child. A 3 yo should not have to bear the brunt of their father's moods.

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 18:41

My plan is to talk after bedtime, and hopefully both of us will be calmer. I think I'm already anticipating that this could become a conversation about how unreasonable I was (as that's a bit of a pattern with us), and not addressing anything about his behaviour. Which I suppose is fine as long as it has made him stop and think. He has been furious with me (when he's popped downstairs for something - not in front of our child), but he has also been calmer in doing bath and bedtime.

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DingleberryRose · 14/03/2020 18:43

Yet another example of a father that doesn’t enjoy being a father. I think there are very few men that get anything out of child rearing. Or at least that’s how it appears on here!

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 18:45

He's just said - we're arguing in 10 seconds intervals as he comes downstairs quickly for various reasons before going back up - that it's rank hypocrisy from me as he's seen me get annoyed. And he's right, I'm far from perfect. I have shown my annoyance at times with tantrums etc. But then sincerely apologised to our child if I've snapped, and had lots of cuddles and then talked about feelings etc. I'm ashamed to even write that and I'm trying to model better behaviour. But also it would be the smallest proportion of the time we spend together, the rest of it playing, loving.

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FATEdestiny · 14/03/2020 18:52

You're talking to this thread in the way you need to be talking to him.

If you really can't have a rational face to face, could you write a (calm, non judgmental) email?

Pumperthepumper · 14/03/2020 18:54

Your husband is expecting a level of emotional resilience from a three year old that he can’t meet himself. Of course he’s being unreasonable.

AlexaAmbidextra · 14/03/2020 18:58

You’ve been posting for some time now about the difficulties in your relationship. You’ve suggested that your husband might be depressed. Has he sought any medical advice about this? Have you discussed the possibility of relationship counselling? It just seems that these arguments keep cropping up over and over again and I can’t see that you’re realistically going to resolve very much by just posting on here every month. Or maybe you need to think about whether you and your child would have a happier life without him?

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 18:59

I really appreciate your responses, thanks - and not just because many of you seem to think it was okay that I said something. This stuff is really hard, I have very little downtime and completely understand that looking after a small child can really push your buttons! I actually find it the hardest element of parenting, having to keep a lid on your emotions. But I know I have to, so I do, and I think we should all hold ourselves to that standard.

Pretty sure my husband will think I'm managing him. On a personal level I find it infuriating that the one task he does to give me a minimal break then invariably he will find some reason for me to be involved, or just ruin that quiet time. Like now - I should be with my feet up and a cup of tea!!

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baubled · 14/03/2020 19:01

I could have written this myself, my DP just can't grasp that our DS (also 3!) doesn't understand things the same way as him. I bite my lip for a lot of it but when he starts to take it too far with his tone I step in, I know he's not going to like it and I know it's going to cause an argument but in that moment I do not care at all, DS will always come first and I won't have DP tell him off in the same way he would speak to an adult.

You're stuck in a hard place OP, negative outcomes no matter what you do but I'm of the opinion as long as you're not jumping on him for every little thing then you're more than in the right to stop him being a dick to your baby!

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 19:03

I get your point @AlexaAmbidextra. You're right. And to me it's either a sign that we're either heading towards a break up or hopefully a chance at might get through a few stressful years and come out the other side.

I'm not sure if you meant it, but saying that you can't see how it's helpful to post here feels like I'm being a bit shut down? To explain, I do find it helpful to post as each time I've had reasonable responses and made some changes related to the suggestions. I can't talk to people in real life about this and tbh I thought it was one of the functions of this forum. Also tbh a reflection that I think the way we communicate makes me often doubt whether I'm being unreasonable.

Yes we've talked about couples counselling (it's a no from him), no he's not seeking help for depression. I've had individual counselling.

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AnotherEmma · 14/03/2020 19:07

I've just read your most recent previous thread and honestly I think you should be posting in Relationships rather than AIBU. I also advise you to give a summary of the key issues in one thread rather than starting different threads about individual issues. When you start to look at the bigger picture and the pattern of behaviour and interactions it's not good.

I also have a 3 year old and my marriage has suffered but the difference is that DH and I have been getting couple's counselling and we are both committed to improving things. He also more than pulls his weight. If it wasn't for both of those factors I would have seriously considered splitting up. In your case, as I said in my first reply to you, I think it's ultimatum time. You have to be prepared to follow through, though!

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 19:13

Fair point, I've just re-read my own threads. It's not good, is it.

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AlexaAmbidextra · 14/03/2020 19:13

I'm not sure if you meant it, but saying that you can't see how it's helpful to post here feels like I'm being a bit shut down?

I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to sound like that. I understand that posting here can be a sounding board but I suppose what I meant was that I think posters may sometimes have somewhat unrealistic expectations that Mumsnet can magically solve their problems.

It’s interesting that he isn’t up for seeking help. I find that very selfish as it’s surely in his interest too to find some solutions for the situation? You would think so anyway. I hope you manage to find some resolution, I really do but I don’t see how you can do this without any input from him. 💐

OhPrudence · 14/03/2020 19:17

To be honest I would LOVE it if Mumsnet could magically solve my problems!

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Poppinjay · 14/03/2020 19:54

You're describing my DH in this thread toa tee. My DD2(17) told me a few weeks ago that she wishes I'd separated from him when she was small.

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